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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
If it's illegal and produces poor info what's the point?
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What's the point of any person defending a position they don't believe in? Stubbornness. Being a stubborn person myself, I can attest to how difficult it is to admit that I'm wrong, but it has to happen when I'm faced with overwhelming evidence and a bullet-proof argument. You don't just get to be wrong and never admit it without losing all credibility. Look at former Vice President Dick "I'm a fucking joke" Cheney.
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Originally Posted by spectre
Will, no offense, but that's naive and negligent at best. Would you strangle someone just because you know CPR? It's extraordinarily dangerous to do and if something goes seriously wrong, that CPR training doesn't mean anything.
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Strangulation isn't the same thing as getting water up your nose. By my understanding, being strangled at all can theoretically cause permanent physical damage and even death. Waterboarding is used specifically because it can be done again and again and again. It leaves no physical damage beyond
extreme discomfort. The worst case scenario is gagging and a small amount of water in the lungs. It's why the water is poured slowly, so that only a small amount of water can get into the lungs if any.
Anyway, I stopped doing it the weekend after I did it the first time simply because it seemed more like something a freshman might to do get into a second-rate frat house. And this was a while ago. And you're totally right, in hindsight it was really stupid.
For the sake of this thread, I must say that those who don't think waterboarding is torture (and that haven't gone through it themselves) don't have the necessary experience to make that determination. That was the point. It's not just holding your breath, it's a perfect simulation for that moment in drowning when you're panicking and losing hope of reaching the surface.