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Originally Posted by Zenturian
Listen, you are going around thinking that the powers that be are going around just grabbing people willy nilly and waterboarding them to get them to confess to things we want them to confess to.
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I'm not going around thinking it, I'm basing my opinion on articles written by some of the best investigative journalists in the world about how we tortured to manufacture a link between al Qaeda and Iraq that didn't exist. Google it.
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Originally Posted by Zenturian
The truth is, after everything else has been done, we are waterboarding people that we already know that they have information that can save American lives. Then we waterboard them to get that information. How can anyone object to that.
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I object to it because it doesn't work, and fortunately I have a virtual consensus among the experts to back me up on that. Who do you have backing up your side? Neoconservative chickenhawks that never served like Bush, Cheney and Rice?
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Originally Posted by Zenturian
And beside, this false outrage over waterboarding is all moot. Its been done to only three people. And the information we got out of it is still classified by Obama. Which goes to show that it does work, or the information gotten out of them would be released to show its uselessness.
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We already know that the information that came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed wasn't legitimate, thus verifying that torture didn't work. Furthermore, we know for a fact that the US waterboarding is a successful recruitment tool for al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other anti-US militant forces in the Middle East. Literally no reason whatsoever exists to waterboard. We're just digging ourselves into a bigger hole.
BTW, this PUB DISCUSSION format may seem nice on the surface, but the inability to cite sources means that anyone can say anything and you can't demonstrate that they're wrong. It's enough to start a bar fight.