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Old 05-20-2009, 08:25 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Excuse me? What government benifits do rich white people get from the government?
You may not have noticed, but wealthier areas have better public schools. If we could elevate the schools in lower income areas to the level of schools in affluent areas, we would help to alleviate the inequality. Educational deprivation impacts a student's life catastrophically.

Being poor perpetuates being poor, you seem and being uneducated perpetuates being uneducated. It would be nice if the color of one's skin didn't matter, but the fact is that for hundreds of years in our country it did matter. Brown v. Board of Education was only 40 years ago. Think about that. 40 years ago, black students weren't even allowed into white schools. They had to attend extremely poorly funded, overcrowded schools. Just now the first generation of black millionaires is retiring. Reflect on what that says about the rate of rising economic status of black people. It's going to take a lot of time for the inequalities to work themselves out, if they ever can. Providing programs like increasing funding to poorer schools would help to bring equilibrium instead of us having to wait another generation.

It's not a matter of weakness, it's a matter of being victimized for generations. Just like the immediate effects of the Emancipation Proclamation weren't social equality, Brown v. Board of Ed didn't immediately grant an equal education to all.
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All public schools suck.
Actually, there's no evidence that private schools actually increase student capability or performance. The data available, which I can't link in a PUB DISCUSSION (but which you can easily find if you google it), supports the case that private schools simply have higher percentages of students who would excel in any school based on their established ability and background. You see, affluent parents are told, by the private schools, that their kids will have a better opportunity than at public schools and because of the previous generation of duped parents, the test scores and college acceptance rates back them up. It's really quite clever. The one exception is catholic schools run by holy orders. For some reason, they have unusually high rates of student performance. Maybe it's the fear of god, I dunno.
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If you have access to money you get good schooling. Color has no part of it.
This is a contradiction. Black people are disproportionately poor, therefore they have less access to money.
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Poor white kids in bad neighborhoods got to poor neighborhood schools in far greater numbers than blacks. And again, the issue is poverty, not color.
This ignores a very simply fact: there are a lot more white people in the US than black people. Looking at pure numbers, yes there are more white poor families, but when you look at percentage of each population, it changes radically.
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And its been said in this thread over and over again why blacks are proportionatly poorer than whites.
Wait a second, you're aware of this? Why did you ignore that fact immediatally above?
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Its due to black America's values.
My values are radically different than yours, but I'm fairly well off.
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Blacks are more likley to come from homes with many kids from multiple absentee dads.
And black people are disproportionately poor. You don't see the connection there?
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Black kids are more likely to be raised by a single grandmother than whites.
And black people are disproportionately poor. You don't see the connection there?
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And yes, I would say it to blacks, and I have. And yes, some actually see the problem and address it. Black America needs to get up and take care of their own nuclear families, cause white america will not, and should not have to, do it.
The problem is a breakdown of the black family. If you actually knew some black people instead of talking about them in coffee shops with your liberal college friends, you would know this.
There's no such thing as "white america" and "black america". That's where the trouble is. We're all the same red blooded Americans, but some of us happen to be born into a system that deprives them of the same basic necessities. If everyone started from the same place, if we all had equal footing, then the exceptional among us (regardless of skin color) would succeed. Unfortunately, many exceptional people are born into abject poverty through no fault of their parents, have to go do crappy schools through no fault of their own, and are surrounded by drugs through no fault of their own. That shouldn't happen and you know it. We should all have the same opportunity to excel. That's actually how free market capitalism works, the idea is that each player starts with the same amount of chips, it's just the smart, ambitious, and capable that end up with a lot more in the end.

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I'm not sure where your data is coming from. I also don't know where you get the notion that blacks don't value the family unit and are happy with baby-daddies.
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