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Originally Posted by Cynosure
People ask the question, "If God created everything, then who created God?" because they know that everything in our universe – including the universe itself – has a beginning (and an end, for that matter). However, people who ask such a question about God are thinking in mundane and temporal terms, and they are thinking too small about God, for God is not part of our universe. Thus God is not, nor was He ever, subject to our universe's laws and limitations.
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No, only you are thinking in mundane terms...
First of all, people ask the question "then who created God?" as a response to the
Ontological argument. If
everything has a beginning then what was God's beginning? If God doesn't have a beginning then not everything has a beginning...
The idea that everything has a beginning is also simplistic. All the constituent particles that make you up have been around long before you were born and will be around to be many other things long after you're dead. Those other things will even be other people. Hell, that will happen long before you're dead too, so what's all this about everything having a beginning? The entire Universe is a complex and continuous system that is constantly changing. There are small patterns that we find meaningful and so we say that those begin and end but the Universe is one long continuum of moving energy in one form or another and the beginnings and endings we assign in it are arbitrary. Really, there was only one beginning and that is of the Universe itself. One example hardly makes a pattern...
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God exists outside of our universe, and it may very well be that everything outside our universe is God, and that our universe is in fact contained (and maintained) within God. Thus, God is not subject to our universe's laws/limitations of time, space, creation, decay, the speed of light, etc.
This old and trite "line of reasoning" is nonsensical, and not really worth contemplating if your earnest about knowing God.
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By definition, the Universe includes everything, even God. If you're making statements about God, you're making statements about a Universe with a God in it...
This "old and trite" reasoning isn't worth contemplating if you're determined to believe whatever you want. However, if you want to at least pretend that your beliefs are reasonable then you must consider all reasonable questions about them...
Why do you say that there's an entity that is not constrained by reality or logic? Your statement that God is such a being is just bare assertion. It's a claim that doesn't even make any sense. Ironically, in your attempt to support the original poster, you've just denigrated his main point: omnipotence without qualification is meaningless. God can't do simply "anything" because that doesn't make any sense...