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roachboy · 05-18-2009, 07:39 PM

how nice, fta.
at least i made a general indication in the direction of actual content--in the post above the one you removed from it's context.
but it seems that you didn't feel so moved. pity, really. it's generally better to do so. just saying.

btw i didn't refer to ace's posts as stupid--in general i find them logically consistent but based on premises that i find arbitrary--but that's to be expected as it's part of the game of political discussion. i would prefer discussions about premises, how they're arrived at, which more accurately refer to agreed upon descriptions of the world--to the extent that such descriptions go beyond simple rhetorical exercises (generally they don't but that's another matter)--but for whatever reason, these discussions never seem to happen. personally, i think it's because folk who hold more conservative views either cannot defend their premises, or they conflate their views with the order of things as they imagine it to be such that they don't think they have premises.
either way, there's rarely such a discussion and so these debates don't really move.
restatements of starting points: that's all these "discussions" amount to.
which gets tired.

sometimes, though, there are arguments that are so thoroughly absurd that they seem to me to invite ridicule--and try as i might, i sometimes succumb to the need to say as much---mea fucking culpa---the conservative meme of the moment that's recycled in the op--that obama represents an extension of the bush administration and thereby some kind of confirmation of the necessity of the policies that are continued--is an example of such an argument.

but if you want to play with me, go ahead and defend the premise of the thread.
if you're not going to participate in the game of the thread, i don't see you having fuck all to say about what happens in it.

05-18-2009, 07:39 PM	#56 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	how nice, fta. at least i made a general indication in the direction of actual content--in the post above the one you removed from it's context. but it seems that you didn't feel so moved. pity, really. it's generally better to do so. just saying. btw i didn't refer to ace's posts as stupid--in general i find them logically consistent but based on premises that i find arbitrary--but that's to be expected as it's part of the game of political discussion. i would prefer discussions about premises, how they're arrived at, which more accurately refer to agreed upon descriptions of the world--to the extent that such descriptions go beyond simple rhetorical exercises (generally they don't but that's another matter)--but for whatever reason, these discussions never seem to happen. personally, i think it's because folk who hold more conservative views either cannot defend their premises, or they conflate their views with the order of things as they imagine it to be such that they don't think they have premises. either way, there's rarely such a discussion and so these debates don't really move. restatements of starting points: that's all these "discussions" amount to. which gets tired. sometimes, though, there are arguments that are so thoroughly absurd that they seem to me to invite ridicule--and try as i might, i sometimes succumb to the need to say as much---mea fucking culpa---the conservative meme of the moment that's recycled in the op--that obama represents an extension of the bush administration and thereby some kind of confirmation of the necessity of the policies that are continued--is an example of such an argument. but if you want to play with me, go ahead and defend the premise of the thread. if you're not going to participate in the game of the thread, i don't see you having fuck all to say about what happens in it. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 05-18-2009 at 07:42 PM..