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Old 05-18-2009, 03:31 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Why do people argue the vague objective|subjective ideas of the wide theologies of early scholars/ salesmen? Well, you can strike any words you don't agree with in that sentence, subjective and/or objective, either one, salesman is a loose term too.

So the simple answer directly from my Carlin encyclopedia: It's a dick waving fest, no simpler than a war of words, the one with the bigger and more intimidating argument wins!

My take on this, which is coincidentally a PG expansion of it:
People argue to prove who are more influential, notice that you never see a real good argument for this kind of stuff on TV/radio? It's because the people who are really comfortable with the reality of the answer, don't give a care about the argument and are therefore above or below it, depending on whether their leftover opinions can be categorized as left-over or non-existent.

On the conspiracy side of it, I think it's what the world's governing group has watered down the Indian drinking games into this, a way to retain psychic brawling amongst the "lower people" because if they stopped it, they would have a lot more leftover aggressions than they could deal with. It also, at the same time it strengthens (psychic ability?) hardening opinions and striking aggression, it doesn't really improve true individualism simply because of what could easily be described as a brain chemistry paradox. Strong minds, weak thoughts, easily swayed.

I'm trying to blend mainstream and Carlinesque logic here, so bear with me.

One more thing, my experience in arguing religion. I've got two parents, Mom is from what was a strictly religious family (think Cleaver-Brady's), Dad was from a naturally spiritual family (solid rednecks, another strange point, Jed Clampett meets Morticia Adams... sorta)
So, there I am, between autonomic religion and brainstem spirituality, with a frontal lobe full of both.

Naturally I've become adept at this sort of junk.

I've found that for everyone, you can influence exactly how much their religion effects them just by putting God in unlikely places (or say unorthodox situations if it suits you) and they seem to either respect everything or simply hate me after that. Point is that it all depends on an often dispicable mess of factors. Again, I have two extemes to compare against, Mom usually dislikes me talking about it, and Dad is a good source of inspiration, but he isn't usually conducive to that sort of talking (it's just not his bag).

My residual opinions on this are that everything happens as it does in space (direction and intensity are the simplest laws of existence) and in space, the bigger the thing, the more it asserts its existence, the smaller the thing, the more it is ignored in daily life, and the deciding gradient here is sentient thought. Things are the size we percieve. In the mind, things are interconnected, and to the highly spiritual/religious, God is assumedly interleaved with all of everything (via omnipotence)

Whether God is omnipotent or not is a stipulation that can be left to those in the debate. Away from the debate you can see a little more clearly, you see.

I join in about half the time, just to refresh myself, and in between I am far more in touch with the higher order of things than my subconscience lets me be conscious of.


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but the POINT IS! ... I keep getting destracted into these little holes as I'm getting to the REAL point!

See how it is? Getting caught in this train of meanings on belief is annoying because in getting to my very simple point I had to go through a lot of spiritually simpler stuff.

The point: As you may have noticed, I referred to things being as big or as small as the human mind percieves them to be. A person should not be deluded into thinking that God is something so simple that it can be explained in terms of existence or omnipotence. The closest that the English language comes to the blindingly easy depth and width of God him/itself is this. Man made God and God made Man.

So believe it if you want to, ignore it if you like, either way, you WILL be right! Within your own terms, you are always correct. Others' opinions should be a study, a muse at best, but the only real factor is your WILL in believing whatever it is.

God said "let there be light" and there was light over the Earth
Man said "let there be napalm" and soon there were brown people on fire.

God made Man, Man made God
Man made God to make Woman
God made Man to show off his creation

you are always wrong, we are always right
we are always wrong, you are always wrong
you are always right, we are always wrong
we are always right you are always right

Remember too that right and fight alliterate, so pick good words.

---------- Post added at 04:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------

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Originally Posted by Polar View Post
Funny thing about God.



If He is God (and I believe He is) then any discussion we have about what he would or wouldn't do, could or couldn't do, should or shouldn't do is like a couple of first graders trying to discuss quantum physics.


Who are we to think we know all the boxes that God should fit into?


Oooh, so right!

They're too young!



Young and wrong rhyme, so it's an inconstant, whether the two are mutually exclusive.
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