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so wait---after being wholly aligned with the crudest imaginable form of neoliberal economic ideology for year after year--you remember, right? that quaint horseshit about markets being rational, enlightened self-interest raising all boats blah blah blah--the dreamworld that landed us in a systemic crisis--now conservatives are trying to argue that because obama operates within constraints and so is moving toward what he talked about more quickly in some areas, more slowly in others, and sometimes has to reverse course---that somehow conservatives had a handle on reality?
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I don't know. But my actions, what I do, what I support, what I practice, are real to me. Those things that confound my "reality", I question. In my questions you can easily find the boundaries of what you might consider my handle on reality. If you get a handle on those boundaries as they affect me and others you could have a great deal of influence. With your knowledge you have power what you do with it is up to you, the choice is yours, the red pill or the blue pill?
No, no, no, but this is:
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The difference between liberals and conservatives.
A conservative is driving up a steep, narrow mountain road. A liberal is driving down the same road. As they pass each other, the liberal leans out the window and yells, "PIG!"
The conservative immediately leans out his window and replies, "Stupid!"
They each continue on their way, and as the conservative rounds the next corner he slams into a pig in the middle of the road.
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so the gitmo tribunals are in place but they're also being made over into something more than kangaroo courts--so therefore, in the blinkered little world of what remains of the right, bush administration policy in this area is vindicated?
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I don't feel vindicated because the real issue has yet to be resolved one way or the other. However, I would think liberals should feel like they were lied to.
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because the bush administration's wiretap policies have not been entirely abandoned, those policies are vindicated?
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No, but I think there has been a fair debate on the issue and the nation is better because of that debate.
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i suppose by this same logic, the right can say that because the administration limited the release of images which show the extent of the bush people's use of torture as an arm of policy that therefore the bush people's use of torture is vindicated.
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Not for that reason, but it is nice to see people on the left taking into consideration the potential consequence of their actions in eyes of those who would want to do us harm.
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these arguments are so stupid that it's hard to know where anyone not a far right ideologue can find the energy to waste their time on them.
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Perhaps if you bolded and capitalized "stupid", it would actually persuade me to stop wasting time. Or, maybe not...the choice is yours...
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Originally Posted by Willravel
I, username Willravel, formally declare war on the United States of America. I have neither the inclination, nor the means to wage such a war, but I declare it none the less. I intend to take no action with this declaration. It is a declaration and a declaration alone.
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When I have gone to the Comedy Store, I laugh at the jokes and don't take them serious. When I go to a "political" meeting, I take the speakers serious and assume they would act on what they say.
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No, I believe in acting on credible threats.
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If you had a baby crocodile living under your house, no ability and no expressed intent to do you harm, would you act now or wait?