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Old 05-18-2009, 10:08 AM   #32 (permalink)
dippin
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Originally Posted by aceventura3 View Post
Outsiders can not have a lasting impact on "stabalizing" Afghanistan in the remote areas. This has been proven many times. But are you suggesting the war on terror has changed to a war to prevent the destabilization of Pakistan?

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Perhaps it is to you.



To remove Sadaam from power and to render his military impotent and unable to wage war. To incapacitate Iraq's ability to use or develop WMD.

After the above was accomplished the war evolved into an occupation "building democracy", which I still have mixed feeling about. Iraq was also a chosen location to engage terrorists as we battled them along with the Iraqi people for political control of the country.



I am not suggesting mistakes were not made, no major war in history has been executed without mistakes, however, in my view what leaders have as a primary responsibility is to clearly define the cause. In Obama's case I thought his cause was to end the war, but he is escalating the war in Afghanistan and seems to be expanding the war to include Pakistan in a manner that is not clear to me.



We did not start the war.

In the war on terror the rules of engagement are unique, but generally I think Bush treated prisoners of war like prisoners of war as opposed to treating them like criminals.

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What about the one's who have declared war on us and are acting accordingly? Are you suggesting we are fighting a mythical enemy?
Again, who are Obama's objectives any less clear than Bush's? How is his conducting of the war any worse than Bush's? And I see you didn't even answer your own questions.

And don't give me this crap about "war on terror" in relation to Iraq.

And Obama had made it perfectly clear that he would expand the war in Afghanistan and take the war to Pakistan if necessary. Agree or disagree all you like, but that was a major point of the campaign, and either you have a really short memory or you are willfully ignoring history.

As far as POWs go, how can the USA be treating them as POWs when people went to such lengths to even deny they were POWs?
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