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Cynthetiq · 05-15-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by spectre

Yes, that has already happened as you have just stated. They were tortured. This gives them a chance to have their stories told and for something to actually be done with it. Without the outrage, nothing will happen, it will be ignored, and will likely happen again.

The government has a bad habit of breaking the law or breaching ethical conduct regularly if people don't stand up against that behavior. They have breached it on a massive scale and what was done needs to be seen. This isn't for sick sense of voyeurism, it's to document fully what was done. It's too easy to go back and change the facts down the road. It's much more difficult with overwhelming amounts of proof.

Actually, it will happen again, with or without the stories or judicial review. This is more true than your statement of "If we do this, it will never happen again."

Why? Because human beings are sick and twisted stupid motherfuckers who seem to think that this case here, this time, special case, this version, this occasion is different from the rest and they think they can get away with it.

You'd think that there's going to be no corrupt politicians, there's laws that prohibit it, there's checks and balances, there's others getting caught and prosecuted. But still, the fucked up human being thinks, "Hey, this time, I have the in, I do it this way, I call it this...." and suddenly it's rationalized and they go ahead with the action.

And the American public is shocked and outraged... shocked and outraged that some American politician shouldn't have been corrupt in the first place. Hello... politicians have been corrupt since the dawn of organized politics.

There are already people on camera, there's enough evidence showing that this happened, all that is left is the paper trail to the who and how high it went up to. Are you expecting to see Rice or Rumsfeld in the photos? Are you expecting to see some 5 star Generals?

So again, what purpose does releasing more photos serve?

There is already someone on camera in the documentary Torturing Democracy:

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TORTURINGDEMOCRACY.ORG - Interview Moazzam Begg
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MOAZZAM BEGG – Detainee #558: You want to fall asleep. You want to do anything in order that you can just lie down in the corner no matter how hard the floor is, how cold it is, no matter how uncomfortable sleep would be with shackles on your arms and legs.

Read through the transcript, watch the show. If these individuals wish to be part of the prosecution and tribunal they can come forward when the time comes.

Again, how does more photos change what information is already out there and available?

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' I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't like words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.

In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.

That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.

I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha.' - George Carlin

When I heard "enhanced interrogation techniques" it was already apparent to me that there was something fishy about the whole thing. We have plenty of words, words that have specific meaning and purpose, but as Mr. Carlin points out, we don't like them. We like to feel special, we like to make it softer, more palatable to the cranium.