Originally Posted by ratbastid

His platform was against the war in Iraq. He was always very clear that he was for increased presence of force in Afghanistan. It fits your inter-cranial narrative better to have him be a failed antiwar flowerchild, I know, but it's not consistent with what the man SAID.

He's announced plans to close Guantanamo.
He's ended extraordinary rendition.
He's said we're not waterboarding anymore.
The list goes on, but you won't pay it any attention, so why bother.



Sorry the evidence of the moral trashing of your country is causing you to have to move your hand a little bit.

That is EXACTLY what I mean when I say that as a nation, we're not confronting reality about this thing. If we really dealt with how much our moral standing, the thing that makes us great and separates us from other nations, got flushed down the toilet, and really dealt with our own complicity in that, then something would have to change about how we operate in the world. But as long as we can have this be a back-of-consciousness nuisance, we never have to do that, and we're guaranteed more of the same.