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roachboy · 05-11-2009, 09:49 AM

let's say that you're right and this "fire" catches just because that's what they do and so there's no particular need to engage in any political work beyond hanging out with people who agree with you up front and who are also armed to the teeth. what you're talking about, then, is a coup d'etat carried out by small heavily armed rightwing paramilitaries. so what you're talking about is turning the united states into a place that resembles the places that the united states has in the past destabilized using far right heavy-armed paramilitaries. this doesn't sound like something that would really catch on...you know, join the coming right-wing paramilitary coup d'etat.

you aren't talking about a revolution because these communities talk to and about themselves. they don't have a particularly coherent alternative vision of how things would actually be run--so actually holding power is a blank space---but instead, there's lots of fantasies about constitutional fundamentalism and a return to "real america" and all that---which doesn't sound to me like anything other than a kind of flag-waving amurican fascism.

i don't particularly want to see people getting shot up in great number by a bunch of "minutemen"---nor by the civil war that you'd trip if you actually get anywhere near posing the danger to the dominant order that you imagine would be so easy peasy to pose. nor do i want to see what you people would do with the urban populations, which is where your politics are likely to get no support at all anywhere. you don't seem to spend a whole lot of time thinking about what you'd do with political opposition, so i assume that were your fantasy coup d'etat to get rolling, you'd be lumping them in with the other Enemies...and since you imagine yourself Completely and Entirely correct in your politics, in your tactics, in your view of the order you and your milita buddies would bring crashing down on us if by some fluke you weren't all wiped out, i read your pipedreams of revolution and think

good old american fascists with just a twist of khymer rouge thrown in.

so i hope you're just dreaming, dk.

05-11-2009, 09:49 AM	#64 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	let's say that you're right and this "fire" catches just because that's what they do and so there's no particular need to engage in any political work beyond hanging out with people who agree with you up front and who are also armed to the teeth. what you're talking about, then, is a coup d'etat carried out by small heavily armed rightwing paramilitaries. so what you're talking about is turning the united states into a place that resembles the places that the united states has in the past destabilized using far right heavy-armed paramilitaries. this doesn't sound like something that would really catch on...you know, join the coming right-wing paramilitary coup d'etat. you aren't talking about a revolution because these communities talk to and about themselves. they don't have a particularly coherent alternative vision of how things would actually be run--so actually holding power is a blank space---but instead, there's lots of fantasies about constitutional fundamentalism and a return to "real america" and all that---which doesn't sound to me like anything other than a kind of flag-waving amurican fascism. i don't particularly want to see people getting shot up in great number by a bunch of "minutemen"---nor by the civil war that you'd trip if you actually get anywhere near posing the danger to the dominant order that you imagine would be so easy peasy to pose. nor do i want to see what you people would do with the urban populations, which is where your politics are likely to get no support at all anywhere. you don't seem to spend a whole lot of time thinking about what you'd do with political opposition, so i assume that were your fantasy coup d'etat to get rolling, you'd be lumping them in with the other Enemies...and since you imagine yourself Completely and Entirely correct in your politics, in your tactics, in your view of the order you and your milita buddies would bring crashing down on us if by some fluke you weren't all wiped out, i read your pipedreams of revolution and think good old american fascists with just a twist of khymer rouge thrown in. so i hope you're just dreaming, dk. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite