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Originally Posted by Willravel
Fortunately, I don't have to demonstrate that at all, as I never made mention of property rights, but simply property. Remember? "Pro-property"? Besides, liberals aren't anti-property rights, they simply don't have materialism built as strongly into their/our economic models. We're okay having a little less so that others can have a little more.
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I think you need to define this 'pro-property' thing you attribute exclusively to conservatives so that I can see how it doesn't apply to... just about anyone at all.
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This isn't speaking to the ideology I was referencing, though. When I was talking about class divergence, I was talking about being okay with some people being incredibly poor and some people being incredibly rich, but moreover the fact that conservatives prop up the rich as if they are better than everyone else, not having to pay their share of taxes, not being prosecuted for serious crimes, getting away with more than any poor person ever could hope to.
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You need to bring this down to earth. Are there any intrinsically conservative policies that you can point to and say, "Jesus hates this"? Can you point to something a little more universal than the corruption of some conservatives? Or are you just saying that conservatives have some bad attitudes?
And if that happens to be it, could you be less flabbergasted by the idea that Christians might vote for those who hold similar policy goals and dissimilar mindsets?
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No, most conservatives I know believe that everyone should behave in that way in order for the free market to work correctly.
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Barring an incredibly poor amount of anecdotal experience on your part, that's not really what you mean. Conservatives don't insist on selfishness from everyone in order to maintain the free market - yeesh, even Ayn Rand didn't do that - they insist on the government holding a neutral position toward selfishness.
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If some people are pushing for the government to help the poor more or for more socialized programs, they, according to what I understand to be a conservative mindset, are hindering the market. So it is, in fact, what one "should" do when discussing conservatism.
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You're still making - without stating - the jump from "people should do this" to "the government should compel assistance in doing this". Jesus wants charity. Conservatives want charity to stay voluntary. That's not a contradiction, no matter how many times and ways you try to shroud the leap from "do this" to "make others do this".
Again: Jesus clearly wanted charity. He did not, in any remotely clear way, want forced charity.
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I said I was flabbergasted. I still am. I've met the burden to convince myself.
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Implying contradictions. If you meant to make a baseless statement, then sure, you've met the burden.
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You really can't list anything?
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List what? All the places where Jesus
doesn't contradict conservative policies?
That really isn't how the burden of proof works.