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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
No, not really. How does it show opposition to property rights?
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Fortunately, I don't have to demonstrate that at all, as I never made mention of property
rights, but simply property. Remember? "Pro-property"? Besides, liberals aren't anti-property rights, they simply don't have materialism built as strongly into their/our economic models. We're okay having a little less so that others can have a little more.
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Now you're just being dodgy. I'll put it another way: where in that passage does it indicate that conservatives are wrong to keep matters of charity voluntary?
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This isn't speaking to the ideology I was referencing, though. When I was talking about class divergence, I was talking about being okay with some people being incredibly poor and some people being incredibly rich, but moreover the fact that conservatives prop up the rich as if they are better than everyone else, not having to pay their share of taxes, not being prosecuted for serious crimes, getting away with more than any poor person ever could hope to. When, in the passage (John 13:12-17, iirc), Jesus was washing their feet, he was symbolizing the fact that even those in the most laudable positions in society are still servants of that society and they are not truly greater than any "servant", or poorer person. That kind of equality is better represented by the left today than it is by the right.
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
But as I pointed out, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing what Jesus says people should do to what modern conservatives believe people should be allowed to do. If you aren't making the jump from one to the other, what are you doing? Exactly what kind of contradiction do you see here?
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No, most conservatives I know believe that everyone should behave in that way in order for the free market to work correctly. If some people are pushing for the government to help the poor more or for more socialized programs, they, according to what I understand to be a conservative mindset, are hindering the market. So it is, in fact, what one "should" do when discussing conservatism.
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
You claimed contradictions. Burden's yours.
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I said I was flabbergasted. I still am. I've met the burden to convince myself.
You really can't list anything?