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Seems a pretty elaborate way to go about not answering the question Will.
Do you really believe that there are NO circumstances where torture is not the most effective way of obtaining information?
Because, thats the only point I am making. I'm not saying torture is the best way to get information, I am saying there circumstances which a mind as limited as mine can visualize where torture is justified. If you deny that in my opinion you are ignoring reality. If you accept it, as I do, then you accept that Pandora's box is open.
And torture does not, and does not need to, involve hurting people. It is the application of force.
Oh, and Jesus also forbade divorce and stated that he agreed with Mosiac law... so you can look at it either way really.
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"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
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The Gospel of Thomas
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