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Without wishing to repeat myself... there are many valid points that you make: but since I am only arguing that there are some possible circumstances when torture is justified, I think I can make the scenario I choose.
I say again - choose between the death of your loved one, or beating up someone who has information that can save their lives.
I do not ask if in the majority of cases another method of interogation may be more or less effective, I ask everyone to consider for themselves if they have a choice between the death of a love one or torturing the man who threatens their life - which will they choose?
No one will answer that they choose to allow their loved one to die, because no one can honestly give such an answer. There are circumstances (whether you choose to argue they are unlikely or not) when torture is justified. There is no black and white moral position on this matter which people who live in the real world can afford.
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"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."
The Gospel of Thomas
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