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There are cases when torture is justified. Anyone who denies that is lying to themselves quite simply.
I say again, if your loved one was tied to the time bomb, and slapping around the person who knew where they were would save your loved ones life, you would do it. I do not believe that any person would allow their child or lover to die so that they might take a moral position.
And it is also true that when you except that torture can in some circumstances be justified, you will nearly always end in a position where torture is misused and people are brutalised without justification.
Unfortunatly black and white positions like "torture is wrong and should never be used" dont work very well in the real world. I'm sure some people will reply to my comments with many examples of grusome and disgusting torture... and the point is that I am not saying these things are not wrong, but I am saying they are inevitable.
The fact that a random survey of some churches found more people who face up to this reality in some places then others does not tell me anything meaningful.
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"Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate,
for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing
hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain
without being uncovered."
The Gospel of Thomas
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