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Originally Posted by matthew330
but didn't you recently comment about how you don't get a chance to debate much with conservatives (=church folk), and now all of a sudden you know quite a few of them.
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There aren't as many religious conservatives in San Jose as there are in, say, Provo, Utah, but there are religious people here and considering how many showed up at the Tea Party, there are certainly conservatives.
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Originally Posted by matthew330
anyway, there is no grey area Will. As I said before, there is a clear distinction between what we did as described in those memo's and what they do. It's black and white. That you can't see that is disturbing. That you try to lump them together is sickening. That liberals think that way in the face of all this, is where the accusation of being "anti-american" comes from, it had nothing to do with protesting/disagreeing with the previous administration.
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There's no such thing as anti-American. It's a nonsense term.
Any torture is torture, mattew. Our torture is less severe than, say, genital mutilation, but it's still torture. Your playing a relativistic game with torture speaks in volumes of your apologism.