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Old 04-27-2009, 11:32 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aceventura3 View Post
I generally stop reading b.s. pretty quickly.
You're lucky we don't otherwise you might erroneously believe without question that "enhanced interrogation techniques" work, have worked, or might work. You may not buy my argument or the arguments of others regardless of where the experts stand on the issue, but I'm satisfied that there's some doubt in your mind.
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Simply stated the above responses do not address the fundamental question I asked. I believe the only real way to know the answer is for the experts to have direct experience with torture or intimate knowledge of the circumstance when others used torture.
How about Brigadier General David R. Irvine, retired Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School, saying torture doesn't work? How about severl former FBI interrogators—who interrogated Al Qaeda suspects—saying not only categorically that torture does not help collect intelligence but also that it creates terrorists? How about the Senate Armed Services Committee, after speaking to the CIA interrogators that have recently tortured, coming to the unanimous conclusion that torture doesn't work? How about Dan Coleman, one of the FBI agents assigned to the 9/11 suspects held at Guantanamo that actually witnessed torture, saying that it doesn't work? How about John McCain, a man who was actually tortured (and who you may very well have voted for in the last presidential election), explaining in no uncertain terms that torture doesn't work?

You're actively refusing to see the truth on this matter, and the more people out there like you go unchallenged, the greater the chances that we'll torture again. I won't allow that. You're dead wrong on the issue and you've been presented with plenty of evidence. See it. Comprehend it.
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