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Old 04-22-2009, 07:23 PM   #97 (permalink)
Willravel
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Under whose jurisdiction?
I believe the appropriate first step is congressional investigation of the CIA along with an internal military investigation.
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Should members of Congress, who may have been informed, be investigated and brought up on charges and face punishment as well, for being complicit?
That depends on the findings of the first investigations.
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Should the investigation include past administrations?
Same.
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Would you allow foreign governments, under the UN jurisdiction convict and administer punishment to members of our CIA, and former member of our executive branch including a former President?
That depends on the outcomes of the US investigations. It would make sense to have independent oversight of the military and congressional investigations. Still, we can't simply assume that they will both be corrupt. The UN should only get involved if they can demonstrate systemic corruption of the investigations.
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If all this is so clear, why is the Obama administration sending mixed signals? If I believed what you believed and what many in Obama's administration believes, my actions on this subject would be clear and with no doubt or hesitation on my part. Seems like, unlike you, Obama lacks convictions. I have a problem with that.
The Obama administration is made up of Democrats, and Democrats historically lack balls. If you remember, many Democrats were quick to sign the AUMF and Patriot Act, fearing they'd be labeled soft on terrorism if they didn't. Similarly, the Obama administration, quick to pick a fight with Afghanistan and Pakistan, is scared shitless they'll be labeled soft on terrorism. Instead of elevating the level of discourse by refusing to play the bullshit games, they are victimized by them over and over again. I remember watching Clinton scramble his fat ass toward the center time and again. We're seeing the same thing now.

I doubt I'll get to see a proud liberal president in my lifetime. It will be liberals forcing themselves to be centrists and chickenhawk conservatives for the rest of my days.
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