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Old 04-22-2009, 10:44 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Willravel View Post
I don't vote for that particular dog owner to walk his dog near your house nor do I pay taxes to fund his walks nor do I have a stake in the response to said shitting. But you know all of this. I'm left wondering why you'd intentionally use an incorrect illustration like this. Are you really ignorant to your role in torturing? You are many things, but naive isn't one of them.

"I don't approve of torture, but I'm fine with it". Where do you draw the line between approving of something and being fine with it? In what way are those different?

And if you look at something from the side, squinting your eyes a bit, you can find yourself taking two opposing positions on the same issue.

It is, of course, perfectly simple. Torture has no place but masochism or vengeance. Those are really the only functions it can adequately perform. It cannot yield reliable information, it cannot reliably coerce, and it cannot control. It has absolutely no functional use for military or intelligence. Beyond questioning it's function is judging it ethically, which is something you claim to have not done at all, despite saying you're fine with torture and that you don't approve of it.

Your position is at best unclear.
Again, you fail at reading and quite possibly comprehension.

Torture has a place. It exists. No matter how much you state that it doesn't and shouldn't it does.

Really? It cannot control? Seems like the Talilban had control over the people.

Seems like the House of Terror in Budapest the building that housed the KGB and the Nazis where unspeakable torture happened, seems to disagree having tortured and controlled its people from the 1940s until the 80s.

Torture controlled many people for decades. Looking at the length of the Spanish Inquisition 1480 - 1530, it seems to have again controlled people for a considerable length of time.

Torture is still used by 81 governments some openly admitting to torturing their citizens. http://thereport.amnesty.org/document/47
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