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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace, i don't see what you're arguing here.
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I am not arguing anything with my questions. I can formulate my argument for you after we see where the answers lead.
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not even dick cheney is making the same claim you are--
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I have a one, but I am not Dick. What the point? I can't have a view unless Chaney shares it?
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Originally Posted by Willravel
I'm pretty sure he's going for the "torture is in the eye of the beholder, therefore nothing is torture" argument.
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I am going for the - you can not define torture, so how the hell can you say a person is guilty of it until you do. Everything to this point has been vague and has lacked any clarity.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i maintain that this is a demonstration of how and why it is the case that there really is only one crime against humanity in the present nation-state system, and that crime is losing a war.
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I tend to agree with this.
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the only way this would not be the case would be for an international tribunal to conduct this investigation, file charges, undertake the process, etc..
national sovereignty encounters its limits in areas like torture. the price of allowing it to be determinate is not acceptable.
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I can not imagine Democrats being so foolish as to let this issue be adjudicated by a counsel of other nations. To subject a prior administration to such a trial would be a joke.