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Originally Posted by pan6467
I feel we are being taxed without representation, in that our elected officials are by majority partisan, corrupted by power, who do not represent the people that elected them but the vocal extreme minorities that raise campaign funds for them to get re elected.
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They are still representing us. Just because they aren't doing what you, Pan, want them to do, does not mean they are not representing us. If you don't like what they are doing, then get enough people to agree with you and vote them out. Nowhere in the Constitution does it define representation as "doing exactly what each individual wants." If that were the case, then the government owes me about 30 years of back taxes.
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But the truth there is many people are so disenfranchised with the system they don't vote because there truly is no choice or they don't see anyone to truly vote "for" so they take the lesser of 2 evils.
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So because as you hint the American people are by and large lazy dumbasses who don't know what they're doing at the polls, on the rare occasion that they actually bother going there in the first place, we shouldn't have to pay taxes?
Right.
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If people feel they are taxed and their voices are not being heard, that by virtue of their thought processes is taxation without representation.
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Then their thought process is wrong. Yes. I said it. Wrong. It's high time American adults stopped acting like five year olds, screaming "it's not faaaiiiir" every time something happens that they don't like. This is not a case of "do exactly what I want when I want it or I will take my tax-paying ball and go home."
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Now, if you ask them what they want and they say fiscal responsibility to the people and investments into building a long term working tax base where the standard of living doesn't regress
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That's what they will long-term get under this plan. No, it's not going to happen tomorrow, but the "instant gratification" syndrome is another example of mental five-year-olds masquerading as American adults. It took 30 years to break it. If they seriously think they aren't going to feel the impact of the problem, then they are (yes, I'm saying it again,) stupid.
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Not all opinions and ideas are equally valid or feasible.... but if the person espousing such a view is listened to with respect valid ideas may come from them. If you just say, "that's stupid/ignorant/uninformed etc..
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And if you are faced with an idea such as "Obama is a Muslim" or "if you cut your income by 70% and then increase your expenditures by orders of magnitude, everyone will prosper" and you roll over and say some pissant pablum like "well I can see the merits of your idea, now let's get together and see if we can reach a compromise on that" then you are being a typical Democrat. Some ideas are stupid. There is no redeeming value to some ideas. To even consider compromising with such ideas is to hold us back from what we can achieve.