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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Pan isn't a right-winger. He's a socially liberal, economically right-centrist-libertarian-leaning, relatively independent thinker. He may have a tendency to get his back up and be inflexible in his positions, but he's hardly the only one here guilty of that (he says with his own hand raised).
It's not that I disagree with your point, but a) ad-hominem will get us nowhere, and b) at least know who you're talking to.
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Wow, you have me pegged pretty good there man. I like being flexible... it helps in bed.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Ya know, I somewhat resent the implication that those of us on the left are stupid because someone else happens to say what we're saying.
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Ahhh. but it's ok for you to imply those on the right are just parroting their news sources. I see. "I'm right... fuck you." Fair enough. Doesn't help the country but ok.
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OK, then you explain how lowering taxes on 95% of the country is a tax increase.
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Gee, it must be nice not having to read ALL my posts, just what you want.
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They think a tax cut is a tax increase, they think Obama is a Muslim, they think Obama is not a legal citizen, they think Sarah Palin is intelligent, and they think Rush Limbaugh has all the answers. Yeah, based on that, sure, I'll gladly say my beliefs and opinions are better than theirs.
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You're entitled to your beliefs. But I don't think you leave room for middle ground and any type of compromise. With freedom comes compromise. With tyranny comes "My side is right and you're an ignorant, stupid, moronic, idiot." All hail Obama and the main stream media.
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I'm all for reasoned debate, but there are some things for which there is no grey area, and no compromise. Obama is not a muslim. Anyone who says so is either stupid, or stupidly parroting Fox News. I'm not gonna play the "well let's reach across the aisle and see if we can come to agreement on this" game in situations like that. They're wrong. I'm right, Period.
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No you're not. You are prepared to pull out parts of what people say and make implications at your leisure to get what you want so you can say, "see idiot, you just are a right winger listening to Fox/Limbaugh/Beck etc and parroting them."
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Issue-wise, the republicans believe that cutting taxes while increasing government spending, and funneling as much money as possible to the upper-class elite leads to a prosperous economy. Again, they're wrong, I'm right, Period. Don't believe me? How's the economy workin' for ya?
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Well, if you'd read my post above, Obama's "tax cut" won't mean shit when there is no tax base. READ WHAT I WROTE, QUOTE THAT, THEN LET"S DEBATE.... he who calls the other idiot, states they are parroting, or insults the other's intelligence first loses. What I'll win I have no idea because with self righteous "I'm right and everyone else is an idiot" attitudes there is no compromise.
We'll start with you quoting ALL of post #364 and debating those points.... OK?????? Until then, please don't put words or meaning behind ANYTHING you just want to pull out and not back up with full quote from me.
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As with the Obama-is-a-Muslim issue, anyone who seriously believes that reducing income while increasing expenditures is the way to decrease your debt is either crazy, or listening to Fox News too much. But, hey, if anyone here chooses to believe that, feel free to quit your job, take on part time work at Walmart, and buy a Porsche. See how long that lasts for your bank account.
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I see no one here even coming close to espousing the views you are accusing me of.... but that's what one does when they don't want to truly debate what truly is said and just wants to make themselves feel all warm and fuzzy that they are right and the other side has no clue.
If it works for ya, who am I to take away your warm fuzzies.
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Well the real answer is to have instant runoff elections, and that way people don't feel like they're wasting a vote if they don't cast it for a democrat or a republican. But, the idiots on both sides of the aisle will never go for that because it would only increase competition for them.
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Gee, that would be too much like true freedom wouldn't it?