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Old 04-15-2009, 08:56 AM   #229 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70 View Post
But when enough communities within a state and enough people petition for a federal representative, and that representative chosen by the people passes a federal law with the help of other representatives chosen by the people - in fact, a majority of representatives chosen by the people - that's a problem? Why are state representatives more worthy of being recognized as chosen by the people than federal representatives?
Well when you get enough states making something legal/illegal much like cities/counties to state, then Congress and the president can debate it and vote for it.

Not that it worked well or was the best of ideas in history, but that's how Prohibition was started enough states had already outlawed alcohol in one way or another and the amendment process started.

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You're right, gay marriage is not an issue to the vast majority of people (about 90%). It's those ~10% of people - the gay population - who care a great deal about gay marriage because it is the government - state or otherwise - making a value judgment about their relationship. You have yet to explain to me why state's can't choose whether or not to allow interracial marriage, but can choose whether or not to allow gay marriage. Neither situation is covered under the US constitution.
Personally, I don't care who marries whom. But by the same token, I don't believe in forcing my beliefs into a state I will probably never live in.

If your gay and you cannot get married in your state go to one that allows it and get married then go back and live happily ever after.

The problem with this country is you have extremists carrying clubs around and bashing people over the head, threatening lawsuits and trying to bully their will into law. There is no compromise. There is no respecting others beliefs. there's just "I'll pummel you into submission, I'll get the press to back me and I'll sue you into poverty until you accept my will."

I truly believe the average citizen, who works hard and is just trying to survive is tired of it. It's all back and forth and back and forth and nothing seems to truly get done but for the people carrying the clubs bashing innocents.

If you want gay marriage in your state work with people by telling them your side, why that issue is important, how it will affect them and campaign for it. Don't bash people into acceptance. IT WON'T HAPPEN. In the end all you will ever get is resentment and more prejudice, more hatred and more polarity, anger and an eventual breakdown in society that will call for a police state. If you truly want freedom, it comes from the people voting on issues that affect them or family or friends. If you want a police state continue the road we are on and ignore what the majority wants because you believe government and the guys carrying the clubs know what is best for EVERYONE and not just an extreme vocal minority.
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