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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
it's not difficult to realize when your first two sentences are thus:
I do value privacy. I value the type of privacy that matters to me.
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I guess if context has little value your assessment is fair. If you do take that point out of the complete context of my post, I admit that my view of the world starts from my own "view of the world", hence I am selfish in that regard. But realizing the weakness in having a one perspective view of the world, I interact with people who see things different than I do. I ask questions, I state when I don't get an opposing view, and I share how I come to my conclusions. Hell, I even admit when I don't have an open mind on an issue. I don't think that is "selfish". Take from it what you will, but I bet very few are different in that regard than I.
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"involved in such behaviors". Maybe i'm wrong, but it seems to me that you've got no issue at all with the government recording any and all phone calls so that their little decoder/key word listening program can identify a recorded call to monitor, all without a warrant. Given your next statement below:
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First we are not talking about the government recording any and all phone calls. As I understand the "wiretaps" is that they involved a narrow group of people involved in communicating with known terrorists. It would be impossible for "government" to record, listen to, and do something with all phone calls. I see this point as of no importance, without proof of some abuse.
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and the fact that you've said you don't care if the gov monitors YOUR phone calls if it's to save lives from 'man caused disasters', whats to stop them from using the wiretaps to track drug crimes, money laundering, human trafficking, tax evasion?
Do the ends justify the means?
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Sometimes the ends do justify the means. I want people in charge who share my values (yes, another selfish comment, but I bet it true for you too, even if you won't admit it) to make judgment calls. If they make poor calls or abuse the trust of the people, I do believe they should be held to account. But, I also will give them the benefit of the doubt when they act in good faith.