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Old 04-14-2009, 09:02 AM   #187 (permalink)
pan6467
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The biggest problem with your examples is you take everything to the extreme and those extremes are used solely to allow the federal government power. You cannot make laws just because you choose to take what ifs to an extreme.

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I'm still not sure what you think this will accomplish (outside of you feeling better because your "voice was heard"). If a rep is at his home office for a week, and 50 people come in supporting gay marriage and another 50 people come in opposing it, then regardless of the Rep's decision on the matter, half of the citizens will feel like they're being ignored. My guess is that over time, the face-to-face meetings would line up pretty well with the state polling numbers.

This allows them time out of the beltway and to get to know the people they are affecting with their votes. Back in the day they were farmers, shopkeepers and so on and met in DC did their thing and went home. Now, many get elected, go to Washington and are there permanently. Their constituency never sees nor hears from them until re election time.

Under my proposal, they at least would be visible to the people and have to explain why they voted for certain things. It's accountability. If you can tell me another way to hold these people accountable. We, the people, should have reasons why they vote the way they do other than partisan bullshit. It's all about accountability not to the party or the lobbyists but to the people.


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I disagree again. Let's start with abortion; for the sake of argument, let's say that this November, all 50 states placed the question "Should abortion be legal in our state?" on their general ballots, and that the Blue states voted "yes" and the Red states voted "no". In December, a poor, 14 year old girl in San Antonio, TX gets knocked up and wants to get an abortion. Should she have to figure out how to travel hundreds and hundreds of miles just to get to a state where it's legal?

First, if the girl is 14 she shouldn't be able to get an abortion without her parents approval. She shouldn't be having sex. It's crazy and irresponsible of society to just allow a 14 year old to go to a clinic and kill her unborn child. A family member at 14 got pregnant and fell down the stairs to have a "self made" abortion. That family member afterward was a true mess psychologically for years. There are far better options than allowing minors abortions as birth control. It's fucked up if you allow or believe that abortion for a minor is ok as birth control. If it's a life or death situation, that's a different story.

Now, if your girl is a legal adult, she can go to a state where they have abortions.

If Ohioans vote to make abortion legal/illegal, that is the people's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, the Fed has no right to impose upon the people of Ohio the Federal government's will on that subject.

My personal view:

I used to be of the thought that "it's a woman's body let her decide." Then, I saw a friend who got his fiancee pregnant have a hard time reconciling with the fact she had an abortion. I have my own personal experience and changed that belief to, "If the father can take care of the child and wants the child then the mother should not be able to have an abortion."

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As for gay marriage rights, what if a gay couple get legally married in Massachusetts, but then their company transfers them to Alabama? Does Alabama have to recognize their marriage and the legal rights conferred under the marriage contract?
That's pretty much what we have now. But the STATE should have that right to decide if they want to allow the marriage or not. Utah for many many years allowed polygamy because in the Mormon religion it is acceptable. So what happened if someone from Salt Lake got transferred to Podunk, Texas? Were their marriages null and void? No they were still legally married in the state of Utah.

As for legal rights of marriage, besides the right to not testify against your spouse what else is there. It doesn't cost much to sign a living will or to write up an emergency power of attorney that states person X will be in charge and have any medical say over my medical treatment if I cannot. I really have always been lost over this whole "legal" issue anyway. The only question federally is Social Security benefits and if you are legally married in a state that allowed it then it's not even a question.

Personally, I don't give a damn what people do behind their "bedroom" doors or what they worship or what they do with their life so long as they do not preach or inflict their beliefs on me. If you want to be gay, be gay, want to be a bible thumping Christian, be one, whatever... just do not tell me I have to be. Or dictate to the federal government that your way is the only way.

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If you legalize drugs in some states and not others, you better beef up your local and state police forces along state borders, as drug smuggling will become a big time industry.
Guess what......... SMUGGLING ALREADY IS A BIG TIME INDUSTRY. Hey Zeus Freaking Crisp, you think that smuggling will get worse if Utah says no drugs and Nevada says any drug is legal?????? I have a feeling Utah may lose some people who move to Nevada and Utah would gain some from Nevada.

Stating that allowing individual states would make smuggling a big time industry is just ....... wow...... I can't think of any nice way to say what I think about that train of thought.

They already have that, in some states weed is a misdemeanor in others it's legal with a legal RX in others just a joint can get you in jail. IT IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DICTATE LAWS REGARDING DRUGS, IT'S THE PEOPLE OF A STATE'S RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT.

Ohio as of April 1st made Salvia Divinorum illegal.... but it's legal in other states. So should the Federal government get involved and say too bad Ohio, the vast majority of states allow Salvia so you have to? I don't think so. If California votes to have medicinal marijuana, who the fuck cares (unless all of a sudden you get glaucoma and decide you need to move there).

See, I love the people who declare the FED has too much power but when people talk about taking power away from the Fed and giving it back to the state and local communities.... they change their tune and talk about why the Fed needs that power and how the states won't allow what they want allowed.

I have lived in many states, I have been to at last count 47 of our 50 states. People are people, YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE AND ALLOW THEM THE FREEDOMS TO ACHIEVE, GIVE THEM THE TOOLS AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR LIVES AND THE MAJORITY WILL THRIVE. The more the Fed comes into their lives, the more laws taking freedoms away, the more you make them scared of government and not government scared of them..... the more problems you'll have, the more failure you'll have, the more economic instability you will have.

If my community votes not to allow a Wal*Mart.... The federal government even thru lawsuit should not dictate that Wal*Mart will go in my community.


Dick Celeste in the 80's refused road monies because that was Reagan's way to blackmail states into making 21 the legal age to drink. Voters in Ohio had spoke 19 was the age for beer. Our roads suffered and he ended up caving. That's just one example of how the FED has power... I'm sure that there are many many more but that is the one I know of where a governor took the blackmail public. THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.... THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO BLACKMAIL A STATE BY WITHHOLDING THE TAX MONEY OF THE CITIZENS OF A STATE BECAUSE THE STATE WILL NOT BOW TO THE FEDERAL'S WILL.
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