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Originally Posted by pan6467
They have also grown for people to show their disapproval of ALL government officials and the direction of this country.
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Like I said, Cato Institute loyalists.
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I find it funny tho, people could talk about how Preston Bush was a Nazi sympathizer, not to mention the affiliation with Skull and Crossbones and how W was a puppet to the NWO and a drunk and blah blah blah, Joe Kennedy was a prohibition Irish gangster that got Sam Momo Giancana to rig the West Virginia Dem. primary and Chicago to get his son elected, Billy Carter's drinking, anything Reagan did, the hate speak on Clinton, Nixon, the innuendos made about LBJ and so on.
And yet NOONE can say anything about the perfect one, the one who will lead us into a new better world without being attacked.
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Actually, no, a lot of that other stuff is bullshit too, which only conspiratorial idiots bother to talk about. The stuff about Joe Kennedy has a certain validity - the results of that election were rather suspect. Reagan did a lot of shitty things, and criticizing his presidency is totally different than trying to draw links to presidents and secret societies. Clinton did some shitty things too, such as turning his back on the gay community with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," and he deserves criticism for that and other things. But not for a blow job. Nixon was, in fact, a crook, so I'm not sure why anyone with sense would have a problem with pointing that out.
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Look at the thread on warrantless wiretaps.... "I disapprove but Obama will change that.... Obama good." That's what the bush people said and they were crucified for that view by the same people saying "Well maybe Obama knows something now."
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You should really work on your reading comprehension, because a lot of people criticizing Obama in that thread were - and still are - supporters of his. I'll add another voice to the mix: I voted for Obama, supported him during the election, and still support him as president, but you're imagining a sense of worship that doesn't exist. I think his administration's stance on wiretappings has, so far, been reprehensible, and I think appointing an insider like Geithner was a colossal mistake when there were better options like Paul Krugman or Richard Reich.
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Obama closed Gitmo then opens a prison in Afghanistan, where there are no laws and it is next to impossible for the press to report what goes on there. But we'll keep that quiet and no outrage there the One knows what he's doing unlike Bush.
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Haven't heard about this and would need more information, but again I have no problem criticizing it if it's true. And I haven't seen anyone here who supports Obama that feels otherwise. I really wonder what site you're reading if you see that kind of worship, because it certainly isn't the same one I am.
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As is the whole argument against people having tea parties. You want to downplay them and make them appear what you want them to be so you can keep blindly following the same path only with a new boss.. a better boss... but as the deficit rises, he doesn't truly change anything just picks up from where Bush left off... I wonder why he is considered "better".
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I don't take them seriously because they haven't been proven to deserve it. They're funded and
assisted by
FreedomWorks and used as a tool to promote their agenda. They make no real proposals, much like the ridiculous recent Republican budget proposal which had almost
no detail, and attract psychotic ignoramuses who want to "burn all the [brainwashing] books" and who believe George Soros is secretly running the government. It's so ridiculous that even conservative blogs who can't stand Obama are
becoming uncomfortable with the whole fiasco.
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Tea parties are not for partisans, they are for people to express their distaste with ALL government. They have grown bigger than Faux, Beck, Limbaugh and the far right. But keep your head in the sand or clouds and keep believing it's all about Obama. This country is pissed, Obama is not doing ANYTHING to truly help or change things except raising taxes, increasing the deficit, forcing companies to follow his will and in these troubling times, while he goes on camera and laughs about it.... causing the liberal interviewer to ask if he was punch drunk.
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No amount of screaming that tea parties are non-partisan will make it so. When they're funded by conservative political organizations with board members who share ties to the Cato Institute, and when Glenn Beck
hosts fundraisers for them, and when, notice, the only people promoting them or taking them seriously are far-right conservative news reporters... they're very clearly partisan. This is indicated enough in your own comments, where you spread the same propaganda that Obama is raising taxes, despite the fact that he actually proposes to lower taxes for over 90% of Americans. Do you make more than $250k/year? No? Then stop complaining about raised taxes, because they have nothing to do with you. I don't agree with everything the Obama administration has done to deal with the economy, but if you're going to disagree at least base the disagreement on reality. Geithner sucks ass, but deficit spending is unfortunately necessary right now, and just about the only economists who you're going to find who disagree are the handful that associate themselves with organizations like the Cato Institute. Economists from the left all the way to the right agree that we need deficit spending to stimulate the economy. There's plenty of disagreement over details, but the need remains.
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We are in serious trouble, when we cannot question government and our leaders, when we are spending beyond our means to make up for past mistakes and debt, when our leaders lie to us and have the ability to wiretap us without warrant, move prisons and so on.
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Oh I don't question the right of people to hold these tea parties, I just wish they'd use their brains about it. Just because something sounds good - "lower taxes! no deficit spending!" - doesn't mean it
is good (not to mention, again, that 90+% of Americans ARE getting lower taxes). Kind of reminds me of the Texas Board of Education guy: "I disagree with these experts. Someone has got to stand up to experts." That's what these tea parties are. Spending beyond our means is bad too...and it's what got us into this mess. Unfortunately right now we've dug ourselves into a hole the ground above us is crumbling in. We need to keep digging but in a different direction if we have any hope of getting out. The rest? For fuck's sake, do you honestly think anyone who supports or supported Obama is OK with illegal wiretaps or secret prisons? Stop conflating the issues, because you're starting to debate with imaginary people who aren't here.