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Originally Posted by roachboy
i oppose vouchers in anything like their present form simply because they're transparent as a conservative weapon aimed at destroying the teachers union; because they're mostly about legitimating christian church-basement school operations; and most importantly they don't change a thing about the dominant class-specific modes of distribution of educational opportunities--nothing about the voucher program opens up places like exeter or groton--the voucher system has no connection to this private stream of relatively high-quality education which is available in the united states only, and i mean only, to the children of the affluent.
[[edit: so i don't oppose the idea of vouchers...i would like to see less gap between public and private schools, but private in the sense noted above---opposition to this would come from people who benefit from the existing system, and this would be nothing more than a defense of class privilege...it's a weak position to argue from. what i oppose is the class stratification of educational opportunities...and if an alternative way of thinking vouchers can be used as a wedge to destroy some of all of this class-based way of doing education, i'm all for it. i just don't think it's a terribly powerful weapon.]]
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So you are opposed to vouchers if the parent is choosing to send the child to religiously based private school? Just trying to be sure I understand.
For the record, when I say vouchers, I am not putting limits on what type of school the parent can choose to use them for. If they want to use them for a christian school that if fine and if they want to use them for a private secular school that is fine too. I do think there needs to be an upper limit on income to qualify for vouchers.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Why do you think it is that these skills are left for college? I've never been able to figure this out. Logic exercises and information handling aren't necessarily too difficult for children, especially when they're made into games. Is it the devotion with the English/math/science/history model?
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I don't think they are completely left behind. I just think it isn't taught in a formal sense as a Philosophy Class or a Logic Class. In other words, it is not labeled as such. I got a lot of both of these in other course pursuits in high school but in hind sight, I wish I had more of a formal education in them.
I also think a lot of it comes from parents. My folks let me struggle with things growing up. I had to figure out how to figure out things. When I failed at it or went the long way round we discussed it. I got the benefit of learning how they would do it complete with their thought process from start to finish. In short, I was getting educated at home as well as at school. That doesn't happen as much these days, especially in lower income brackets. Kids with inattentive parents will never do as well on average as kids with engaged parents no matter how much time, money and effort the school system throws at them.