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Strange Famous · 04-09-2009, 11:18 AM

Well, everyone might take their own view. I personally broadly feel that if someone is wounded then its going too far and the person being wounded should be protected by the law. Thats all I can say. If two people really find this kind of thing enjoyable I find that pretty remarkable - but I cant deny it because I'm not them.

There IS a line that has to be drawn on consent... and I do want to make myself quite clear on this point.

I am NOT saying that people on this board who might practice wounding for sexual pleasure are killers, or are like killers, or are potential killers.

In Germany there was a case a couple of years ago of a man who consented to be murdered. He wanted to die, and found someone online to kill him and canibalise his corpse. I think that we all in this case would say that the fact of consent did not stop this being a murder. When someone says they want to be killed in this way, the consent is not valid because it cannot be judged as sane.

Then you might like an assisted suicide, when someone consents to be given poison because they are very sick. Many of us may see this as a valid form of consent and not a case of murder.

But some assisted suicide cases have involved conditions which were not life threatening, and which were more based around mental illness than physical illness... most of us here say that consent is NOT valid.

Again - I am not saying that people here are like this, or it is the same thing - I am saying that when we think about it I believe we all accept that in some cases clearly given consent does not prevent a crime being committed. (in the case or the murder, in the case of a child... but in the UK a child is 15 and in the US they are 17 - so does where a 16 year old stands depend on what country they live in?)

My judgment is that wounded crosses the line. Other people have been invited to make their own call, and that is the point as I see of the creation of this thread.

04-09-2009, 11:18 AM	#36 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Well, everyone might take their own view. I personally broadly feel that if someone is wounded then its going too far and the person being wounded should be protected by the law. Thats all I can say. If two people really find this kind of thing enjoyable I find that pretty remarkable - but I cant deny it because I'm not them. There IS a line that has to be drawn on consent... and I do want to make myself quite clear on this point. I am NOT saying that people on this board who might practice wounding for sexual pleasure are killers, or are like killers, or are potential killers. In Germany there was a case a couple of years ago of a man who consented to be murdered. He wanted to die, and found someone online to kill him and canibalise his corpse. I think that we all in this case would say that the fact of consent did not stop this being a murder. When someone says they want to be killed in this way, the consent is not valid because it cannot be judged as sane. Then you might like an assisted suicide, when someone consents to be given poison because they are very sick. Many of us may see this as a valid form of consent and not a case of murder. But some assisted suicide cases have involved conditions which were not life threatening, and which were more based around mental illness than physical illness... most of us here say that consent is NOT valid. Again - I am not saying that people here are like this, or it is the same thing - I am saying that when we think about it I believe we all accept that in some cases clearly given consent does not prevent a crime being committed. (in the case or the murder, in the case of a child... but in the UK a child is 15 and in the US they are 17 - so does where a 16 year old stands depend on what country they live in?) My judgment is that wounded crosses the line. Other people have been invited to make their own call, and that is the point as I see of the creation of this thread. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas