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Old 04-04-2009, 10:46 PM   #15 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Willravel View Post
That's not how it works. Long before us puny humans came along, there was a relative balance of greenhouse gasses. Some greenhouse gasses are necessary, you see, and throughout the history of our planet life has adapted to deal with the various climates that have come and gone. The changes in climate before the industrial revolution were quite slow, taking thousands of years or more. If the next climate change took 3600 years, humans would likely have time to adapt as necessary.

The problem is when the cycle is artificially changed. We don't know if the introduction of gasses like CO2 from artificial sources will speed up any change. If we only have 150 years to deal with a change of a dozen degrees, we could face a global catastrophe. I think we can agree it would be bad if a third of the population of the planet died in the course of maybe 40 years because we can't either supply necessary heat or relocation to everything north of Oklahoma and Turkey. And that's not alarmist because it falls in line with several of the worst-case scenarios being put fourth by real experts in the field.
And there are "real experts" that say global warming is BS. So who's right? Hell, weathermen can't even truly get 1 week accurate but we're supposed to be able to dictate to the world that we are doomed because of greenhouse gases emitted from our cars?

Let's see what were the temps around the world 500 years ago and let's compare them to now. Let's go 100 years.

I'm looking here: Canton - Ohio Weather Forecast on Yahoo! Weather

In Canton Ohio the high temp records for the months of Jan (1906), Mar (1910), April (1915), July (1936), August (1918), Oct (1927) were all set before WW2. Sept (1953) Nov (1961) were before I was born (& after WW2) and only 1 record high was set in this decade (Feb. 2000).

6 record high temps before WW2, 2 before I was born in 1967 but after WW2, 2 in the 80's (1982, 1988), 1 in the 1990's (1991) and 1 this decade..... We have not had a record high temp in a month in 8 years, have to go back 17 for the next one and 20 before that. We're burning up now.

Then let's look at when the highest temps ever were in this area: in 1918, and 1936..... yeah.....

Now let's go by just April's dailies.... there were more record high temps (15) before and during WW2 (2) than in the period after. Only 6 days registered record high temps in this decade same as the 70's and 80's combined set.

Just the opposite for record lows.... 13 days before WW2 and during, 17 days recorded record lows after WW2 with 1 in this decade, 3 in the 90's, and 8 record lows in the 70's and 80's.

So if that shows anything it shows that maybe the temps are getting cooler on average.

It's all ego BS, "we are in control of the environment".... BS. We're one meteor away from annihilation, and I believe THAT is far more likely than man made global warming destroying the Earth.

But it sells papers, makes people feel they can control the planet and nature and makes some people very rich while it takes focus off far more serious things people can control by voting out corrupt politicians and seeing what agendas are truly getting by us while the focus is elsewhere.

You want to save the world, demand our government and the UN clean our water, put better safety standards on food products, build better schools, find ways to improve poverty stricken nations, find ways to help starving countries irrigate and farm their lands better..... there are far more important issues than this one to help people and save the world.
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