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Originally Posted by dippin
And stop trying to say that I support this or support that. I've been clear in what I support, and in this thread I've just been trying to point out the extreme inconsistencies of the position that demands more from everything and everyone for less money.
But you know what? Go ahead. I am tired of this bullshit sloganeering and senseless name calling.
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I'm just responding to your points. The you I am talking to is the you in the quoted portion... it's not personal in any way.
The only demands I want are those that government listen to the people. There is no inconstancy and I would gladly explain if you are confused in any way. Just tell me where.
Where have I called you names?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
yeah, see pan there are problems when you let yourself get too upset as you write--you start collapsing things into each other, setting up straw men, indulging empty slogans...not that a lyric from john lennon is other than empty when it comes to politics ("working class hero" anyone?)....you can't seem to separate when this fiasco started from where it currently is, you forget who did what, which administration did what. you've come to the SHOCKING conclusion that, without people knowing it, there's been a class war unfolding in the united states--but who the hell didn't notice it? it was the main feature of conservative economic policies...the largest concentration of wealth yet recorded anywhere ever...if that's not class war, then what the hell is?
so it seems to me that much of what you seem upset about is that you've suddenly discovered this class warfare which has been characteristic of the policies pursued by conservative neoliberals for many years, and all the more that this class war has had consequences which screw over people like you and me.
but where i get confused is in your reactions to this discovery or realization---and how you manage to collapse the whole of this onto the obama administration. which i am not an unequivocal fan of, btw. not at all--but it nonetheless makes sense to keep the factual dimension of things straight so that discussion doesn't endlessly get derailed on problems created at that level.
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No, look back 5 years ago when I first joined I talked about an economic meltdown, so I didn't just jump on some band wagon.
No, there are posts here that I even stated "not necessarily Obama's fault", but as a senator he did vote pretty much with Dems to increase spending. Bush helped, Clinton helped, Reaganomics is to blame here also.
Obama inherited a mess but is continuing the mess and from what I see is not trying to truly stop it, just band aid it with more failed trickle down policies.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
Government can't listen to (and cater to) every single individual voice in society. The country is too big. Shit, EVERY country is too big for that. I understand your basic point, but you're never going to see a government construct where your senator is going door-to-door asking what each person would do in every situation. The entire point of Congress is that we vote for them to represent us.....the power is never in the hands of the people.
Now we can argue all day about whether most Congressmen are actually representing the will of their constituencies (many aren't, too often), but my point is that POWER TO THE PEOPLE is indeed an empty slogan in a country with 100's of millions of citizens
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I said the "people" not the individual. I stated going with the majority not the individual.
Representatives should have mandatory townhall meetings bimonthly in their district open to the public, if that means that they have to fill a school football field then so be it. The Representative should then voice why he has voted certain ways, what exactly each bill represents and how it will affect the people of his district. Hell, with technology he/she could do it on a public access television station, on the radio or on the net. Congress right now is not answerable to the people and doesn't even try to be except in an election year then half of what is said is bold faced propaganda and who knows how true.
Senators should have mandatory state addresses similar to the Reps. only every 6 months.
Now, to say that is unreasonable is bullshit. The only true reason that would be "unreasonable" would be that Congress truly doesn't want to be that open.
The president and governors have to give yearly state of the union addresses.... why is Congress not upheld to similar demands?
That is POWER TO THE PEOPLE.