Originally Posted by phathom

I agree with having rock solid beliefs and all good for the pope to have those, BUT this is a time and place where people's lives are at stake for spreading this misinformation, that you need to be able to be humble and say yes you should refrain and that is what we prefer you to do, but if you are going to, stop killing each other with HIV and wear condoms, it is not our view but should you not choose to follow our/your beliefs than use protection. People's lives are in jeopardy and obviously they are not listening to his views of it because the problem is growing, his advice might even be making it worse if they honestly believe that condoms do not protect against disease and choose not to use them because of his advice.

Originally Posted by ring

What does all this splitting say to your gut?


The word 'seems' jumps out at me.

I am trying to remember the name of an author from a muslim place
who witnessed the sharp severe indoctrination of youth at the mosques,
and then wrote a very poignant expose about it.


I did not grow up Catholic.
My two ex-husbands did.
(They remember physical torture & mental.)

The radical difference between two generations in the US, (alone.),
is telling.