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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
That's not to say that it's considered acceptable to ignore the pope's teachings - he's still the leader of the church after all - but it's important to understand when the pope is and is not considered infallible, especially since the Catholic church also holds personal conscience in high regard.
Very many I can agree with, but I don't think it's most by any means. Again, the fastest growing regions for Catholicism are Africa and then South America. Granted there is the whole issue of liberation theology in South America (thanks for pointing that out roachboy - it's a big part of that "potential" I spoke about in my first post), but for the most part Catholics in those regions take church leadership rather seriously. And then there are still plenty of people in America and Europe who take it seriously. I've always found it interesting, as someone who was raised Catholic, but rather liberally, how often I have come across conservative Catholics, or people who have experienced more conservative Catholicism and have formed their opinions of the church based on that. And I think it's a big reason why, while I no longer consider myself a believer of any sort, I still see positive social potential within the Catholic church, even with the Vatican present. I don't think it's moving in that direction at all, and so I agree that the Vatican is outdated, but it is not even close to being irrelevant. There are still a LOT of Catholics who listen to it.
That's about all I have to add at this point, because I agree pretty much 100% with roachboy here. There's no doubt that less sex would also help the AIDS issue, but that's no reason to oppose distribution of condoms, and the proper context is necessary for the pope's statements, which includes why he reaches such a conclusion.
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Well let me be clear. I do not mean to say that the Catholic religion is becoming obsolete. I mean to say that the Vatican's conditions for being a 'good Catholic' are ignored left and right, even by people who love the Pope and what he represents. Any Catholic woman who uses anything other than 'natural' methods of birth control, for instance. Catholics who get divorced without annulment by the church, are another group. And I'm sure if I didn't feel fluish and need lay back down a bit I could go on and name some others...but those two are huge. I hope that makes my comments clearer.
I agree that the church has potential and I am well aware that the church has done great and good works and for the most part I have no problem with the Catholic Church and I don't have a history of bashing the church, either.
But their stance on this issue I find to be reprehensible on several different levels. Not the least of which having to do with Catholic evangelism on the continent of Africa and its influence now on the populace that is dying of AIDS more quickly than in any other place in the world.