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Old 03-10-2009, 01:30 PM   #30 (permalink)
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the equation is false between claims to zones of ocean and something like the civil rights act/movement---the former are by their nature porous and the status of the claims is disputed and disputable--for example not all countries have signed the united nations convention about maritime law, and countries that haven't, which include the united states, do not consider themselves bound by it. claims to 200 miles are dubious under most international agreements, but it's one of those things that's riddled with exceptions and de facto assertions etc...none of this applies to law within particular nation-states. to argue the contrary, you'd have to posit a formal suspension of the constitutional order (for example) which would, in principle, render the individual laws that were operative by way of appeal to the constitution as their authority kinda like these maritime matters.

and again, the primary reason for naval encounters in the south china sea between the united states and china is taiwan. this is why the area is one of relatively high tension. this is why i suggested that perhaps this was a good time for the united states to rethink it's policies toward taiwan--but (repeating again) i say this without a whole lot of information about what that'd imply--and (this isn't repeating) not because of this incident per se, but because rather because i was thinking about the underlying reason for it and it doesn't really make sense to me.

to my mind, there's no way around factoring taiwan into this picture. i don't understand why you seem to want to factor it out.
if i understand your position correctly, sharkran, this is an instance of legitimate dickwaving by the united states that is underpinned by some kind of Problem you have with china. on the former, see above---on the latter, i'm pretty agnostic on the question.

i know relatively little about china--it seemed to me a place that one can either learn a whole lot about or that one sets aside because there's alot to know in order to feel as though you know anything at all. that's an explanation of my agnosticism.

so my position is more that the dickwaving seems pointless in itself and such legitimacy as it has derives from the politics surrounding taiwan.
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