Originally Posted by roachboy

or you could think this out, pan.
it's entirely possible that the way of life that was fashioned under the rickety, cheap umbrella of american empire dressed up as globalization is over. it is entirely possible that the consequences of free marketeer ideology are catching up with the people who were primarily affected by it here--regular working folk--when production mutated and labor became a variable cost and people persuaded themselves that the movement of capital creates wealth and the firms have no particular responsibility to anyone or anything but profit---there were consequences. the scary thing is that there are no easy or obvious answers to this--but the fact is that all this is a direct consequence of 30 years of neoliberal ideological domination in the states. and this is not a mantra--it is a fact, like it or not.

and so it no longer matters what folk think of leadership in the old mode.
it no longer matters what free marketeers think.

this is the start of a long, strange process of the type that does not play well on television and is not amenable to easy snap judgments. the problem this creates is that to address it you cannot rely on prefabricated talking head opinion. but you'll figure that out.