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Old 03-05-2009, 01:34 PM   #59 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
ace--let's not tip over into disengenuousness, shall we?
the iranians have claimed that their nuclear program is geared around production of electricity. the bush administration claimed that it was also geared toward production of weapon systems. the concerns about the iranian nuclear program have much to do with the latter. you know this. when the bush people were contemplating an action against iran--which they did---it was in their interest to create suspicions about the latter. which they did. the israelis, who are armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, also felt it was in their interest to make similar arguments to those of the bush people, perhaps because they were concerned about the language coming from the iranian president, perhaps because they were (are) concerned with the increasing role iran plays in supporting groups that oppose israeli colonialism. given that the israelis continue building settlements in the west bank, a coherent peace solution to the palestine matter is not in the cards, so the obvious move was to act as though the horseshit that the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" folk in the bush administration were advancing was true and reason to contemplate acting militarily. which they did.
the concerns about iran that hclinton noted from her last trip seem to me to center on this earlier dickwaving.
Bush did not take any military action against Iran that I am aware of. Now, that Bush is no longer in office the concerns about Iran still exist. In fact, concerns about ME nations like Iran obtaining nuclear weapons and Israel having them pre-dated Bush. To make Bush the center of this issue seems odd to me. And, certainly Obama is under no obligation to interpret intel the same way Bush did.

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on russia--what on earth are you talking about?
that you prefered bush's "straight talk" is an aesthetic matter and worse a thing of the past. the only response to that is something like "that's nice for you."
as for the rest of your claim, it's gibberish.
Clarity is not gibberish. I can state my position in a simple declarative fashion. Although, I have asked previously, I still don't know what your position is and especially given the "secret letter" I am even less clear on what Obama's position is, and what his thoughts are on Eastern Europe. But, what I understand is not important, I am in the 30% that don't approve of Obama - but given the OP I wonder what other nations think.
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