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Originally Posted by Kingruv
Strange,
Are you playing the devil's advocate here or just the devil of it? It sounds as if you're just pulling text from the Joe Goebbels. Are you ready for sharia law or just any tyranny that comes along?
It's hard to believe you aren't acting. Are you?
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It is a side point to the main topic - which is about the police were unreasonable or the armed car mechanic was - but in general I believe that society will progress to a more collective form, and individual freedoms are generally damaging to that and to individuals themselves. Absolute freedom from control is the law of the jungle, and any protection you give one person restricts the freedom of another. If I should be free from the threat of violence, then you must the lose the freedom to beat me up (for example)
If you do look at the analogy of Brave New World - the people there were reduced to the state of children, but werent they happier? With all the sex and drugs and games and feelies, no pain of love no fear of death no God to judge - for all the things they lost they did not remember and were replaced by sensual delight. By what standard should it be judged if that is a better way to live or not than floating on the raft in the middle of the ocean?
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
do you have reading comprehension problems? The victim didn't get demanding and aggressive until AFTER they uncuffed him the first time. I'd be totally pissed if I got roughed up and taken down by cops for simply doing something I had every damned right to do.
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You are getting confused here. You use the term "victim". I am not talking about the victim here, I am talking about the accused. He wasnt roughed up, he was secured because a man nearby was shot dead and he openly had a firearm. This is completely reasonable. Whether or not it is a suicie and whatever the police suspected, you cannot really expect that they were 100% sure of what had happened at that point, therefore they had reasonable course to at very least disarm and secure the accused while the situation was assessed.
Once released he behaved in an aggressive manner to the police, and they had no choice but to arrest him.
It is interesting that all of the people talking about the right to carry guns and so on do not seem to take any thought to lament the fate of the real victim here - the man who;s life is ended by firearm wound. Should a man considering suicide be allowed to own a gun? Sure - theyre are other ways to end it, but when someone is in deep trouble sitting there with a gun in their lap cant exactly help can it. He was failed by the US constitution and law, he was not protected, and this lapse in duty of care cost him his life.