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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
therein lies your problematic thinking. Rights are only good if they can be preserved. If your government agents aren't going to do that, even though that is their assigned primary duty, then it's up to you. If you're forced in to preserving them yourself, those who attempt to deny them need to be met with appropriate force. If that means having to use deadly force against the bully down the street or the thug with the badge, so be it. Let it me known also, that here in the US, a police officer who is denying rights under color of law or is operating outside of their assigned duties and policies are not protected by the law anymore, are no different than the average criminal on the street.
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False, you do not have the right to determine what your rights are or are not. It is not your place or the place of any individual.
You may have a thing called a constitution, and the common law, but the fact is that the rights affording to the people of any land are decided by the state and enforced by the state. The state decides what the constitution is and may amend it at any time. They also decide entirely how it should be interpreted and applied.
The police are the armed forces and the agents of the state, it is for the state to determine what your rights are and how the rights they offer you are to be interpretated in every facet and every moment of your life and existence. It is even for the state to decide the rules which govern what may be done with our bodies when we die.
Whatever room there is in the margins is merely a matter of the present and temporary weakness of the state. Of course, in this margin exists all crime and most human misery. True happiness will come when each individual is ruled completely by a compassionate state. Although Huxley couldnt quite make his mind up about it you might call that a brave new world.
As an aside, the disarmement of the people will be a necessary and obvious step taken in this process.
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Originally Posted by guccilvr
apples and oranges mate.
If a cop told you that you couldn't wear your norwich city jersey just because he didn't like them.. then it's a similar situation. The cop just wants to spout of something that isn't true.. but would you take it off meekly or would you point out that there is no such law? Most would tell him to piss off.. while you seem to be of the persuasion that since a cop said it that it is the law..
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And of course that has happened and happens all the time - certainly round here. Most pubs dont allow people in with soccer jerseys and definitely not on Friday and Saturday nights. Ive been told I cant walk down a certain street wearing a Norwich shirt and instead herded along with the Away Fans many times.
At least once a week you hear about someone being forced to take off a tee shirt with Arabic writing on an air plane.