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Originally Posted by roachboy
what the right is arguing is a return to systematic denial of reality.
if "confidence" in markets can be collapsed into "confidence" that you look like a movie star today so head out there into the world and be perky, then this brilliant piece of logic follows:
if the latter is lying to yourself on a small scale, then the former is lying to yourself on a big scale.
so the important "idea" that the right is floating amounts to: lie to us so we can feel better.
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Have you ever been in a position where you did any business planning? Business owners have short, intermediate, and long-term plans. Businesses that manage inventory and people have to make judgments based on the information available today regarding the future. If it is going to take 6 months to a year to hire and train an employee you have to make a hiring decision 6 months to a year before the need or have an alternative plan. If you anticipate revenue will be lower in 6 to twelve months, not only do you stop hiring, but you start planning to lay people off.
One of the inputs in your decision is going to be subjective. A president can influence this subjective component. Stop the pretense, that a President can not have an impact on employment. Stop the pretense that anyone is arguing that is the only factor.
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as if that was not stupid enough, they have the audacity to tack on these fatuous claims of "fearmongering"---that obama is "fearmongering"----this from the same people who supported the bush people's "war on terror."
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For the record I supported the war in Iraq and the "war on terror", if you revist the many threads on the subject you will find that I ready acknowledged that Bush "sold" the case for war. In order to "sell" the case he used rhetoric to make people fearful of inaction. I understood this, and I think most others did as well. Even Democrats used fear rhetoric when they gave speeches in advance of their votes supporting military action in Iraq. The Bush strategy was clear, he did not have a hidden agenda. Anyone who supported the war simply because of Bush's words did not do their homework.
In this situation what is Obama doing? What is the value? Can you be honest about it?
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how on earth do they expect anyone to take this seriously?
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I don't. I know where most posters stand and I know that most don't have an open mind.
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what kind of degenerate condition is conservativeland in these days?
i think they'd be better off tearing it down rather than trying to rebuild on top of ruins.
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I am predicting that liberalland will collapse before any more deterioration in conservativeland. The seeds of the liberal collapse have been sown. Enjoy the next couple of years while you can, if you can. Obama will be a one term President.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
OMG! There has also been a clear acceleration in job losses since the Lions lost to the Bears in week 9 of the 2008 football season. I think there's something there.
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Pretty funny.
But on the other hand there has been the TARP legislation (Democratic Party legislation), designed to do something. There has been the Auto industry bailout (Democratic Part legislation. And there has been the Bailout (Democratic Party legislation). Not to mention the numerous hearings and investigation (Democratic Party control) We have people actively trying to fix things, spending billions and the net result has been an acceleration in job loss. The only quarter of negative GDP growth was the fourth quarter.
If my theory is wrong what is yours?