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Originally Posted by scout
You people crack me up. If a republican uses fear tactics to borrow and spend it's the fuckin' end of society as we know it but if a socialist uses those fear tactics packaged differently to pass a 1 trillion dollar borrow and spend bill it's heavenly bliss. What the fuck? I guarantee if this was happening 6 months ago 90% of the people in favor of this bill now would be shitting their pants over this massive spending bill. On that note I think if everyone looked at things objectively instead of through glasses shaded either red or blue we might actually come up with something that will help all Americans instead of this bullshit pass it fast and spend, spend, spend and spend some more as fast as we can. If this is the best we can do then we are in deep shit. Unfortunately both sides are clinging to their pet projects rather than doing what's best for America. The Republicans are clinging to those tax cuts and the Democrats are clinging to expanded government meanwhile the middle class gets pinched.
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scout:
looking objectively, what would you come up with?
A proposal that has a greater likelihood of success than the current Senate bill:
with 60% spending/40% tax cuts...most of it targeted and allocated relatively quickly.
that has removed more than $100 billion in pork and projects deemed not to provide direct stimulus
a CBO estimate of potentially creating 3-4 million jobs in 18 months
and that has the support of both the business community (US Chamber of Commerce, National Assoc. of Manufacturing) and the labor community
How slowly should we proceed with job loss at 500,000/month?
My choice would be even more spending but Obama is committed to reaching across the aisle with the inclusion of that 40% in tax relief.
I dont know anyone who likes any of the options and most objective observers understand that they are no guarantees.
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I'm waiting for a better proposal from the Republicans who voted NO.
What I see instead is a strategy to dig in their heals, gamble that the program fails and then use that failure as the campaign issue in 2010.