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Originally Posted by roachboy
the article i posted earlier is quite good on the relations between the supermarket model (which it defines) and the first of the who's claims as to cause. if you have a chance, read that. it makes the case i am making better than i can--and points to the main solution--which is a wholesale reorientation of how food is produced and the systems of distribution. i think it's entirely doable, but until that's taken seriously as a problem, obesity and it's related health issues are not going to stop and telling people to exercise isn't going to mean a whole lot.
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I agree that the system by which we create and distribute food isn't working well, but that doesn't address the fact that regardless of income or location you likely have access to healthy food. It's probably surrounded by crap, sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have access. I would argue that everyone in the US has access to healthy food, in fact, and most of the developed world, and even a great deal of the third world. Again, specifically, where do people not have access to any healthy foods?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
the second problem is also far bigger than how folk choose to organize their leisure time. think about it.
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It's really not. When I was in college, I worked two jobs and went to school full time and I still managed to find time to exercise. I dare you to find someone that doesn't have 30 minutes a day to spare.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i think you're flipping major/minor around to keep your earlier arguments consistent with the position you're arguing now--which is fine i suppose.
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I don't remember ever saying anything but diet and exercise, but that's not important.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
but there are the relatively superficial things one can address--and you seem to be arguing like jack lalane on this matter. but he did alot of television and told folk to exercise for many years, yet obesity rates continued to rise. so say what you're saying all you want--hector your friends---live by them. hell, i like to bike and i don't eat processed foods. but that won't do anything significant to address obesity as a problem, particularly not given the scale of it.
structures. no way around them.
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I'm not arguing that telling people to diet and exercise is necessarily the best solution, but certainly a lack of proper diet and exercise are the main causes. And considering the fact that each of these main causes can, in the lion's share of cases, be remedied by slightly different choices at the supermarket and maybe walking or running a few times a week speaks in volumes about the situation.
If we're going to delve into solutions, then the discussion should probably go to education. That, though, may be enough of a tangent to require another thread.