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Originally Posted by Iliftrocks
OK, "let her come to you", just doesn't work. Why is is 100% the woman's prerogative? Why does a man just have to be on standby?
There are times, believe it or not, when a man might not be up for it, but when the woman wants it, we give it our best. Why can't a woman, every once in a while, do the same? I know you are going to say that they do, but, in my experience, and apparently the experience of a large number of other men, women do not. They only want things when they want them, which is human, and the personal selfishness of all Americans......
If you are in a relationship, there must be give and take from both sides. You must both be willing to do things you might not want to do, but will do to please the other partner. If you are not willing to do these things: sex, yardwork, housework, watching stupid TV shows, etc. , then you shouldn't be in a relationship at all.
I know it is not true of all women, but I'm tempted to say most, in this country, but women think it is the man's responsibility to serve them. Trust me, sex is good, but it is not worth the crap most women put us through to get it. There are very good reasons that some men look for more "traditional" women in other countries to marry. It's not to get a sex-slave, but to get a woman that understands that a partnership requires work on her part too.
Disclaimer: I said that as a man. I'm certain that a lot of women feel the same way about thier men. Our selfish culture goes both ways.
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Thank you. this guy said what i was talking about in a less boorish way. As an American guy, I'm fed up with American women in general. not that i won't date them as a rule, but they're lowest on my totem pole of preferences.
There's a sense of entitlement in American women that completely scrambles a healthy dynamic of macho and feminine in relationships that make it more enjoyable for both partners.
and i'm not saying that as a cave man. i blame American guys just as much for putting up with it. but at the end of the day, most South American and Asian and even Euro women can somehow cope in the pc equal rights world and still come home and be a wife or girlfriend and not always a princess. and that's a good thing.
i guess this post is a slight threadjack, but it does come back to the point i'm rallying, and that is for both partners to specifically define what they need from the other, both in quality and especially quantity, otherwise the relationship becomes based on the epic saga of defining that nebulous thing, and not centered on growing together as couple.