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Old 01-16-2009, 09:57 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by tisonlyi View Post
Yes, quite so, the solution to the iniquities in the world, is to seek out those parts of this world which already are the best of all possible worlds. Don't even think of trying to improve the bad parts, it's futile of course and terribly counter-productive.
In some circumstances, like with a rotten apple, you need to get rid of the rotten apple. It can not be saved. If you try to keep the rotten apple with the good one's, they may all become useless. In other circumstances the bad will become good if survival depends upon it, but if you set the bar so low that survival does not depend on being good, then every participant goes down to the minimum standard.

I don't understand how you came to your conclusion based on what I wrote. Hopefully I have clarified my position.



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Look at those horribly inefficient, 3rd world countries of Scandinavia, Europe, Japan, etc that have these disgusting 'labour laws' with those capricious, malevolent 'unions' who do nothing all day but work consciously towards their evil aims of 'fairness'...
You think the goal of a union is fairness? Why would you think a union would stop at fairness, if they could get more? An employer will attempt to exploit labor, but labor will attempt to exploit an employer given an opportunity. Don't you agree with that?

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Do they not realise that he who is placed from on high above them, their Master, his word is law! Madness!
I have never considered an employer my "master", have you? If not, what is your point?

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Truly, the only ends to their misguided efforts is the end of this, the best of all possible worlds!

What? Not everyone has the means to ignore all but the very best of all possible job offers with the very best of all possible employers? No sir! That is insanity!
Let's count to ten and think this through. What is different today, than let's say 75 years ago when unions were desperately needed? Today compared to then we have:

Social Security, IRA's and 401 (K)'s for retirement planning.
OSHA work place safety
EEO for work place discrimination
Child labor laws
Worker' Compensation for work place injuries
Minimum wage law.
Overtime laws
Break time regulations
Unemployment compensation
COBRA

This is just to name a few things that are now part of law that unions had to fight for back in the day.

What do unions fight for now? Political clout, power, and to get bigger? Noble causes? Times have changed.
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