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Originally Posted by roachboy
i just thought it a quaint story, dk.
the post that reminded me of it, which i quoted at the outset, is far more surreal than my story.
but i was in a good mood, so thought it would be amusing to put forward a stronger case for your position than you did, that's all.
enjoy.
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oh. ok then. nice, but fail. not amusing at all.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
why are you purposefully missing the point? the "yelling fire" example is fairly common in discussions about the limits of free speech. of COURSE you can do it if there is an actual fire, that's not the point.
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of course it's the point. to claim that one has no right to yell fire in a crowded theater is so much bullshit. You do indeed have that right, however, if you abuse it by doing it when there isn't a fire, there is a legal penalty to be paid. Does that mean the right has limits? no, it means if you abuse having it, you pay a penalty. It should be the same with all rights, but that's just not enough for some people.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
first off, how do you know that's what the founders intended? it's certainly not explicit in the 2nd amendment, so can you cite me a different source?
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federalist papers, anti-federalist papers, constitutional convention debates, and political commentary about the right to bear arms from several key people before, during, and after ratification that are clearly documented.....some of that commentary even coming from US supreme court justices.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
second, the world was a much different place 200+ years ago. it probably seemed like a good idea that the citizens have musket loaders just like the infantry. it's not such a good idea that the citizens have SAM's and M-50's.
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why not? because half a dozen people might go hay wire and decide their life is shit, so they'll take as many out with them as possible? kind of sucks for the other 304,999,990 people that didn't do that.