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tisonlyi · 01-13-2009, 10:05 AM

The IRA clearly stated they would not lay down their arms until the island of Ireland was one nation. What people say and write down to convince other people that they're really, really committed isn't necessarily what they'll agree to in genuine efforts at negotiation.

With the notable exception of the Copts, whose plight I know nothing about, the others were not and are not the subjects of 40 years up to the present day of ongoing oppression, humiliation, torture, siege (which i'm pretty sure counts as collective punishment...), assassinations(some carried out in person by the current defence minister, that lefty labor peacenik man), killings (ditto) and massacres (take your pick of all the Zionist revisionists on the Israeli political scene) at the hands of an organised, modern state funded by the hegemonic superpower of the world.

History is bloody, everyone knows it. History is not an excuse for the knowing slaughter of innocents NOW, and it really doesn't matter that they're 'not deliberately targeted' which is as disingenuous a phrase as you'll find (and very much reminds me of Catch 22, with others telling Yossarian to calm down, because they're not really trying to kill him, they're trying to kill everyone!).

Hopefully, after another couple of weeks of this mindless barbarity, the Israeli people themselves might cry out for a halt to the insanity... It's a long shot, but stranger things have happened. Eventually people will start finding videos on the net... Maybe there's a possibility of some sort of sane political party emerging in Israel.

I think it was Machiavelli who said that you either treat an opponent well, or wipe them out completely. People have the strange habit of seeking revenge for past, non-genocidal crimes against them.

01-13-2009, 10:05 AM	#191 (permalink)
tisonlyi Nothing	The IRA clearly stated they would not lay down their arms until the island of Ireland was one nation. What people say and write down to convince other people that they're really, really committed isn't necessarily what they'll agree to in genuine efforts at negotiation. With the notable exception of the Copts, whose plight I know nothing about, the others were not and are not the subjects of 40 years up to the present day of ongoing oppression, humiliation, torture, siege (which i'm pretty sure counts as collective punishment...), assassinations(some carried out in person by the current defence minister, that lefty labor peacenik man), killings (ditto) and massacres (take your pick of all the Zionist revisionists on the Israeli political scene) at the hands of an organised, modern state funded by the hegemonic superpower of the world. History is bloody, everyone knows it. History is not an excuse for the knowing slaughter of innocents NOW, and it really doesn't matter that they're 'not deliberately targeted' which is as disingenuous a phrase as you'll find (and very much reminds me of Catch 22, with others telling Yossarian to calm down, because they're not really trying to kill him, they're trying to kill everyone!). Hopefully, after another couple of weeks of this mindless barbarity, the Israeli people themselves might cry out for a halt to the insanity... It's a long shot, but stranger things have happened. Eventually people will start finding videos on the net... Maybe there's a possibility of some sort of sane political party emerging in Israel. I think it was Machiavelli who said that you either treat an opponent well, or wipe them out completely. People have the strange habit of seeking revenge for past, non-genocidal crimes against them. __________________ "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill, 1937 --{ORLY?}-- Last edited by tisonlyi; 01-13-2009 at 10:08 AM..