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Originally Posted by shakran
Great. Remember the part where they said "Unless the tank sucks or you're incredibly lucky a machine gun is not going to kill a tank?" . . .Or did they leave that out of your training?
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of course not, but then again, I never said anything about assaulting a tank with a machine gun, did I?
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Originally Posted by shakran
correct, but there is something stopping him from mowing down 25 people at once with it - - namely, refire/reload rate.
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so 25 dead people are ok as long as it's done single shot style? like virginia tech?
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Originally Posted by shakran
Standing military troops are supported by tanks, and airplanes, and armored vehicles, and RPGs, and grenade launchers, and missiles, and bombs, and howitzers, among other high-powered weaponry. If we civilians were able to be supported by the same, then the machine guns would mean something.
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I say this again, but apparently it's not a credible belief, that it would be total political suicide for a government entity to order artillery attacks on american citizens. why is this hard to believe? Tanks with CS gas in WACO caused such a public outrage, can you imagine what the result would be from actual exploding shells coming from them?
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Originally Posted by shakran
Well, there is that aspect, yes, but I mainly speak of them being superior to civilians because of 'hardware.'
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Again, that deficiency is the result of a single minded group of people. So the ability/possibility of military/government brutality is the fault of that very group. It shouldn't be that way, if you go by the founders intent.
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Originally Posted by shakran
So. . you training your neighbors then? Or were you planning to pull a Stephen Segal and take on the bad guys all by yourself? Hint: As a Marine you should know that oppressive governments are not overthrown in 2 hours after the preview of coming attractions.
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No, I do not train my neighbors. For one, I have nothing to train them with. I can't afford anything more than a handgun right now. Two, out of the neighbors I have, 2 of the 4 are already former military. The other two I don't know well enough to know how their political affiliations are. Three, instead of attempting to belittle parts of my argument you have no rebuttal for, reread what i've actually written. I've stated as such that ANY violent revolution will be a long drawn out process......like afghanistan during the russian occupation.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
This is the thing. Governmentality suggests that everything has been accounted for. Policies are created and maintained though the condition that every citizen is free and autonomous. This not only empowers government, it also maintains its power. Citizens under these governments are free and autonomous, but only because they are subjects of said governments that govern through such freedom.
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Governments are created by man. Governments are created to serve and protect the rights of man. Citizens are not subjects of the government, otherwise you place government as the master and the US constitution says the complete opposite.
Again, that may not be the way that european countries work, but it is supposed to be that type of relationship here in the US.