View Single Post
Old 12-31-2008, 12:10 PM   #32 (permalink)
shakran
Tone.
 
shakran's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltona Couple View Post
You said that the Tesla DID pass the requirements, therefore I felt safe in assuming you meant even the longevity requirement which is 10 years.
hehe. check again. I said the Tesla's batteries pass the "won't blow the car up" test.




Quote:
I am trying to refer to the here and now. what do we have NOW, and how well you like or dislike what we have currently on the market, and upcoming in the near future.
And I stand by my original statement. We can achieve the mileage the hybrids are getting with conventional powertrains. We did it 20 years ago. We do it now in Europe. We just aren't doing it here in the states. Why?

At any rate, if we can achieve with a conventional (and therefore less expensive to make, buy, fix, and replace) powertrain, then what advantage does the hybrid powertrain give us? It's another "I feel good about myself" "green" scheme that doesn't actually do much, if anything...Much like the recycling bins we all use even though many of them end up getting dumped into the same landfill as your garbage.


Quote:
Personally when it comes to mass production, I think the Volt is going to hit the market first, and stronger than what else may be out there.
Of course it is. It's made by a (now federally-backed) megacorporation. What chance does Tesla/Zap/Tzero have against that kind of muscle? Hell the guys at Tzero can't even use the regenerative braking AC motor they want to use yet because they don't have the money.

And if it actually works, that will be great, to a point. (we'll ignore the inconvenient fact that charging the Volt requires the coal plant to produce the electricity for it, and therefore causes the emissions directly related to the car to be about on-parity with conventional cars - - at least we aren't wasting gas with it.)

The Volt is closer to what a hybrid car should be - -but I was giving my opinion on currently available hybrids, of which I remain underimpressed.
shakran is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360