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This is not what you think marriages essentially are Filth - and you know that. This was just a weak attempt to stereotype the position of anyone that disagrees with gay marriage, and take a cheap shot at the concept of God (come on, you can capitalize it). That little finish the sentence game was just as pathetic. Marriage is the union between a man and a woman. As a reminder,barack hussein obama agrees with this statement.
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Except that if one is going to get all religiously pedantic about the definition of marriage, one must acknowledge that for many folks the primary religious significance of marriage has traditionally been the fact that it is a promise before god. I'm sorry you think that that's a stereotype. If I said that religious people go to church, would you accuse me of stereotyping there too?
In some places marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Other places allow for homosexuals to marry each other.
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Marriage is "essentially" an acknowledgment of this union by the society in which they live, and it's definition of it. Society doesn't really give a shit about how long this marriage lasts.
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There are several communities which acknowledge homosexual marriages. That isn't an issue. The problem is that these marriages aren't given any sort of legal recognition.
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The religious people that get married "in the eyes of god", probably take the forever part a bit more seriously, and I'd also imagine their divorce rate is less that your average male/female left winger who gets married because their hiking partners petrouli was irresistible, for better or worse. To factor those divorcees into the those you consider lying in the fact of god is disingenuous.
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Here's a list of the states with 10 highest divorce rates (via
StateMaster - Divorce Rate (most recent) by state
#1 Nevada
#2 Arkansas
#3 Alabama
#4 Wyoming
#5 Idaho
#6 West Virginia
#7 Kentucky
#8 Tennessee
#9 Florida
#10 Mississippi
All clearly bastions of liberalism. Everybody knows that Baptists have significantly higher divorce rates when compared with other the divorce rates of other Christian faiths.
Perhaps it has something to do with them getting together over conspiracy theories about how the KKK was actually started by liberals to make conservatives look bad... Wait. Never mind. That's ridiculous.
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So who is being the busybody? Gay people insisting that the rest of society acknowledge their eternal commitment to one another, when what they could do is respect the definition, fight for equal rights, and formalize their eternal commitment to each other in whatever other way they want.
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I was under the impression that gay people were presently attempting to "fight for equal rights, and formalize their eternal commitment to each other in whatever other way they want." This includes changing the legal definition, because while there are churches that will preside of the marriage of two men and/or two women, there are few states that will recognize that marriage.
That doesn't make them busybodies. Unless you don't know what a busybody is. Let me help: A busy body is someone who goes out of their way to stop two guys from getting married.
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At the very least, have respect for the other position. It doesn't need to be demonized, and people that believe in God don't need to be belittled and simplified. As long as that's the case I have no problems thinking to myself "ya know, these people can go fuck themselves".
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Actually, I do respect the other position. I just wish that the people who held the other position had enough respect for their own position to just come out and say it. Instead, they contrive ridiculous covers for their bigotry. I would prefer these folks just admit their bigotry; it saves me the trouble of trying to reason with them.
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PS - still haven't learned what "lying" means, eh?
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I still haven't learned what the hell you're talking about here.