Originally Posted by Tully Mars

They're saying at least 4 weeks. All this "Nothing to see here, move along folks. Just the normal course of business cycles" is complete and utter bull shit. Another 1/2 a million people lost their jobs last months. This is not normal.

Originally Posted by roachboy

o yeah--about this "liberal obsession" that you outlined above, ace (sorry, but i only just saw the post)....if you're talking about the car industry prior to the 1980s, you're confusing things---while it's formally correct that the american car industry was protected before that time, the rationale had nothing to do with what you claim it did---what changed is the geography of capitalist production, the logistical systems that underpin it, and the ideological rules of the game. before the early 1980s, it was GENERALLY understood that production was a social relation, that profit was tied to social stability, that deriving profit came with a social responsibility that was tied to particular geographical spaces, typically framed by nation-states. it was the rise of neoliberalism that reversed this---replacing the movement of capital for any particular geographical relationship, shareholder profits became a simple-minded substitute for broader forms of social responsibility, etc.