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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
So, let me get this straight, you are using Afghanistan, Somalia and Iraq as your models of an effective criminal justice system? Are you under the impression that rape and murder and other violent crimes are under control in these places? Because I can send you some links.
And aren't the gentlemen you are referring to in your anecdotes above probably referring to abuse and torture in prison before the implementation of any "justice system"? Do you support that, as well?
What, exactly, do you see going on around you in the US that is worse than in places like present day Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia?
I can't help but think you haven't really given thought to this.
What sort of influence do you suppose the open approval of brutality has on a society? Are you harboring the opinion that humans need to be dominated? Corralled? Subjected? Punished? Because such a system does not only affect those who commit crimes. It affects everyone in the society and it implies extreme distinctions between government and society that I don't think you're taking into account.
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are you under the impression that i don't realize what goes on in those countires and are you under the impression that i am confusing war with a viable justice system?
no, i have given this some thought, and no you misunderstood my point entirely.
the point of my examples was: the only guy who was actually concerned was the guy facing the threat of bodily harm. if the criminals have nothing to fear, they will do what they want knowing nothing bad (direct bodily harm) will happen to them. if they think they will be harmed in some way, they react a whole lot differently. war or not, they were humans and reacted humanly. i can only assume that the threat of direct bodily harm in response to bodily harm would deter a whole lot more criminals.
i also dont see specific punishement for a specific crime as "open approval of brutality." when you commit a certain level of crime, e.g. rape, murder, irrevocable bodily harm caused by acid thrown to the face, you pretty much have decided you are no longer part of society, and so you dont get the benefits of belonging to the society.